Monkey fist keychain - Page 2

highoctane · July 15th, 2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by retsupt99

Never heard of them...got a pic or a link?

Heres a link. There are several on the web. The "ball" end is tied around a steel ball making it heavy. You can also get them made with a wooden ball (lighter) or something that floats for like your boat keys i guess.

Monkey Fist Knot Keychain, Handles, Zipper Pulls

highoctane · July 15th, 2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghost tracker

Why don't you just hit 'em with your...keys? Sharp, edgy, metal, weighty & no potential legal issues.

I assume you could hold the ball end and hit them with the key end. Either way would work.

BaserRonin · July 15th, 2009, 07:38 PM

I have a better idea. Save the monkey fist, in case you need some emergency parachute cord while camping, and hit them with your gun.

ghost tracker · July 15th, 2009, 07:55 PM

Quote:

I assume you could hold the ball end and hit them with the key end

Then why would the ball end need to be hard & heavy (marble or ball-bearing interior)? I learned to tie a Monkey Fist when I was a young. We made Bolos with golfballs inside the knots. Dropping a fast-running cousin at 15-20 yards grew to be easy. But getting dropped was always hard...on the shins!

boscobeans · July 16th, 2009, 12:30 PM

There doesn't seem to be a big difference between a Monkey Fist and a Blackjack in my book and in many states Blackjacks are not legal.

Blackjacks (basically lead balls or lumps attached to a flexible grip, usually leather wrapped) have been removed from use by most police agencies since the seventies. A solid head strike can easily be fatal and most strikes on bone break the bone. Delivering a head strike could be considered using deadly force by a prosecuting attorney.

There might be a few LEO's out there that have experience with the old Leather ball on a spring type blackjack and I am sure they will testify to how a solid blow easily breaks bones and penetrates skulls. Deadly weapon in my opinion.

Just making one in CA ( Yeah... I hate to use California as an example but many state have similar laws) is illegal:
California Penal Code §12020:
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:

(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the
state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives,
lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable
firearm, ... or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a
blackjack, slungshot, billy, sandclub, sap, or sandbag.

I am sure we would all have enough BS to put up with in the event of a LEGAL SD shooting but I hate to imagine trying to explain to a jury what happened if I maimed or killed someone with a weapon similar to what many police departments have banned from use.

Just my 2 cents on monkey fists, coshs or other weapons.

bosco

QKShooter · July 16th, 2009, 03:04 PM

If your state prohibited weapons list reads "or any bludgeoning instrument" then having a Monkey Fist would not be legal unless you happen to be an angry monkey.

mr.stuart · July 16th, 2009, 04:36 PM

Interesting item. It looks like jail time if you hit another person with it.

Rob72 · July 16th, 2009, 05:19 PM

A 1" steel ball bearing puts them down, "with alacrity." Keys po folks...

C hawk Glock · July 19th, 2009, 01:22 AM

Seems like a shat load of work to tie a knot with a ball bearing inside it. I would think it would be something we would out source to china!

tougeep3 · July 22nd, 2009, 12:51 AM

I have my car key and remote on it's own key ring, and EVERY other key I have is on one of these:

July 19th, 2009, 01:22 AM	#19
C hawk Glock Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: W. Washington Posts: 336	Seems like a shat load of work to tie a knot with a ball bearing inside it. I would think it would be something we would out source to china! __________________ Thank you sir, may I have another?

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July 15th, 2009, 07:38 PM	#13
BaserRonin Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 275	I have a better idea. Save the monkey fist, in case you need some emergency parachute cord while camping, and hit them with your gun.

July 16th, 2009, 12:30 PM	#15
boscobeans Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: upstate new york Posts: 723	There doesn't seem to be a big difference between a Monkey Fist and a Blackjack in my book and in many states Blackjacks are not legal. Blackjacks (basically lead balls or lumps attached to a flexible grip, usually leather wrapped) have been removed from use by most police agencies since the seventies. A solid head strike can easily be fatal and most strikes on bone break the bone. Delivering a head strike could be considered using deadly force by a prosecuting attorney. There might be a few LEO's out there that have experience with the old Leather ball on a spring type blackjack and I am sure they will testify to how a solid blow easily breaks bones and penetrates skulls. Deadly weapon in my opinion. Just making one in CA ( Yeah... I hate to use California as an example but many state have similar laws) is illegal: California Penal Code §12020: (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison: (1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable firearm, ... or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy, sandclub, sap, or sandbag. I am sure we would all have enough BS to put up with in the event of a LEGAL SD shooting but I hate to imagine trying to explain to a jury what happened if I maimed or killed someone with a weapon similar to what many police departments have banned from use. Just my 2 cents on monkey fists, coshs or other weapons. bosco

July 16th, 2009, 03:04 PM	#16
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 23,499	If your state prohibited weapons list reads "or any bludgeoning instrument" then having a Monkey Fist would not be legal unless you happen to be an angry monkey.

July 16th, 2009, 04:36 PM	#17
mr.stuart Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: usa-southeast texas Posts: 812	Interesting item. It looks like jail time if you hit another person with it.

July 16th, 2009, 05:19 PM	#18
Rob72 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: OK Posts: 3,468	A 1" steel ball bearing puts them down, "with alacrity." Keys po folks...

July 22nd, 2009, 12:51 AM	#20
tougeep3 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 28	I have my car key and remote on it's own key ring, and EVERY other key I have is on one of these: