Stabbing v. Slashing - Page 5

2edgesword · September 17th, 2009, 04:02 PM

"Envy because they..."

Not...pity, because he seems to refuse to want acknowledge the difference between non-lethal and less lethal.

"Well. Just keep on keeping on. If I want to train with someone in lower NY State, I'm calling Mat Tempkin."

Thank you. That means one less headache for me ;).

"You have a skewed understanding of lethal force situations. Skewed to the point your OODA loop resembles congressional accounting practices."

If it's skewed it's skewed by the facts regarding the dynamics of physical force (including deadly physical force) encounters and the common sense that says waiting for a intruder that is in my house uninvited at 2:00am to make his intentions crystal clear puts me and my family at risk and at at disadvantage with respect to defending ourselves.

psychophipps · September 17th, 2009, 04:16 PM

So in conclusion...I like stabbing but I'm not opposed to a good slash now and again.

2edgesword · September 17th, 2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psychophipps

So in conclusion...I like stabbing but I'm not opposed to a good slash now and again.

Agreed :).

And a little good natured verbal slashing and stabbing is also fun.

BikerRN · October 1st, 2009, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semperfi.45

I'm gonna go with answer c: shoot 'em!

If "C" is not an option I'm going to attempt to slash, as I have a better chance of disabling my attacker so that I may escape. I've seen a lot of stab wounds, and while they may be lethal in time, I want to get away from my attacker.

In order to get away I need to quickly incapacitate, and in order to do that I need to take out the large muscle groups, tendons and nerves. Slashing motions in a deep and vigorous manner tend to best accomplish this, IMO.

Biker

Airborne375 · October 3rd, 2009, 02:30 AM

To slash defensibly at an attackers probing knife arm while waiting for the opening to stab at the stomach or try and get the blade through the rib cage. If I get really close the neck becomes a juicy target for either attack type.

Naturally all this depends heavily on my opponent, his apparent skill level and preferred grip. If I feel outclassed I'd stay on the defensive until something breaks up the 'Dual' or a really obvious opening appears and I'm feeling particularly confident.

I've been in 2 knife 'duels' since I left the military (the first was the catalyst for the second) and I have come through unscathed while inflicting a few telling weapon arm slashes to my opponents which caused them both to withdraw.

As I hope every member of this forum realizes knife 'play' is dangerous business and the most important aspect is the time spent training and certainly not the blade one wields.

mercop · October 3rd, 2009, 08:55 AM

The more I read from people who have used a knife for SD the more I hear about hacks/slashes to the arms/hands ending the confrontation. Very telling- George

psychophipps · October 3rd, 2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercop

The more I read from people who have used a knife for SD the more I hear about hacks/slashes to the arms/hands ending the confrontation. Very telling- George

Makes perfect sense to me. Like any predator, there is a definite continual stream of cost/benefit analysis going on during any given engagement. Once they hit a certain point of injury, and it's honestly fairly low for most low-intensity assaults like muggings or bar altercations, they will fade away and posture so they don't risk being injured too long and losing even more chances at making money other ways.

mercop · October 3rd, 2009, 09:51 PM

I was a huge fan of ending altercations with a smack to the back of the fingers/hands with my ASP. A snipe with a blade..even better.

BlindBlade · October 8th, 2009, 07:03 PM

i just read five pages
about training,legal issues, ect.
blah-blah-blah, yada-yada-yada.
back to the question @ hand:
Stabbing v. Slashing .............
which is better ? both are effective,
a stab with a 7" blade up-under the
fifth rib .. takes care of buisness with one hit.
with a slice across an artery with a smooth
razor will render a good result. the bottom line is this : know how to use your blade(s)
or leave them in their box.

LongRider · October 22nd, 2009, 03:44 PM

Having witnessed a huge number of knife fights / stabbings in my life time I can assure you and have said often a knife fight is not a fight or any kind slash parry dance often depicted in movies. It is a brutal intimate close up dirty smelly messy attack. To prevail you must hack slash stab as viciously as possible. Of course you want to practice slashing and stabbing learn and know vital areas. Know what method is most effective. Stabbing works well for under the left arm aorta / heart shots, slashing for femoral artery, hacking removes heads and limbs limbs. You will want to do all of that and more if you are in a knife attack. Grab your attacker and get to work as if you were an industrial sewing machine. I have seen men live and prevail after being stabbed in the heart up to four times, I have seen men live with over a hundred stab / slash wounds. Do know the vital areas practice but when the day comes forget it all and make hamburger of the attacker hack slash stab as often and deeply as possible and do not stop until after they have stopped. Expect to be covered in blood, vomit, urine, feces and guts

September 17th, 2009, 04:02 PM	#41
2edgesword Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New York Posts: 395	"Envy because they..." Not...pity, because he seems to refuse to want acknowledge the difference between non-lethal and less lethal. "Well. Just keep on keeping on. If I want to train with someone in lower NY State, I'm calling Mat Tempkin." Thank you. That means one less headache for me ;). "You have a skewed understanding of lethal force situations. Skewed to the point your OODA loop resembles congressional accounting practices." If it's skewed it's skewed by the facts regarding the dynamics of physical force (including deadly physical force) encounters and the common sense that says waiting for a intruder that is in my house uninvited at 2:00am to make his intentions crystal clear puts me and my family at risk and at at disadvantage with respect to defending ourselves. __________________ Martial Blade Concepts, Jiu-Jitsu & Eskrima NRA, GOA, NYSRPA, LIF

October 3rd, 2009, 02:30 AM	#45
Airborne375 New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Charleeston, SC Posts: 1	I was trained.. To slash defensibly at an attackers probing knife arm while waiting for the opening to stab at the stomach or try and get the blade through the rib cage. If I get really close the neck becomes a juicy target for either attack type. Naturally all this depends heavily on my opponent, his apparent skill level and preferred grip. If I feel outclassed I'd stay on the defensive until something breaks up the 'Dual' or a really obvious opening appears and I'm feeling particularly confident. I've been in 2 knife 'duels' since I left the military (the first was the catalyst for the second) and I have come through unscathed while inflicting a few telling weapon arm slashes to my opponents which caused them both to withdraw. As I hope every member of this forum realizes knife 'play' is dangerous business and the most important aspect is the time spent training and certainly not the blade one wields.

October 3rd, 2009, 08:55 AM	#46
mercop Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Posts: 605	The more I read from people who have used a knife for SD the more I hear about hacks/slashes to the arms/hands ending the confrontation. Very telling- George __________________ 2010 MCS Calander http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgb7wjh3_299f8tncbcz

October 3rd, 2009, 09:51 PM	#48
mercop Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Posts: 605	I was a huge fan of ending altercations with a smack to the back of the fingers/hands with my ASP. A snipe with a blade..even better. __________________ 2010 MCS Calander http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgb7wjh3_299f8tncbcz

October 8th, 2009, 07:03 PM	#49
BlindBlade New Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: TRAVELING Posts: 5	Stabbing v. Slashing i just read five pages about training,legal issues, ect. blah-blah-blah, yada-yada-yada. back to the question @ hand: Stabbing v. Slashing ............. which is better ? both are effective, a stab with a 7" blade up-under the fifth rib .. takes care of buisness with one hit. with a slice across an artery with a smooth razor will render a good result. the bottom line is this : know how to use your blade(s) or leave them in their box. __________________ Abishai

September 17th, 2009, 04:16 PM	#42
psychophipps Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Washington State Posts: 381	So in conclusion...I like stabbing but I'm not opposed to a good slash now and again.

October 22nd, 2009, 03:44 PM	#50
LongRider Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 1,785	Having witnessed a huge number of knife fights / stabbings in my life time I can assure you and have said often a knife fight is not a fight or any kind slash parry dance often depicted in movies. It is a brutal intimate close up dirty smelly messy attack. To prevail you must hack slash stab as viciously as possible. Of course you want to practice slashing and stabbing learn and know vital areas. Know what method is most effective. Stabbing works well for under the left arm aorta / heart shots, slashing for femoral artery, hacking removes heads and limbs limbs. You will want to do all of that and more if you are in a knife attack. Grab your attacker and get to work as if you were an industrial sewing machine. I have seen men live and prevail after being stabbed in the heart up to four times, I have seen men live with over a hundred stab / slash wounds. Do know the vital areas practice but when the day comes forget it all and make hamburger of the attacker hack slash stab as often and deeply as possible and do not stop until after they have stopped. Expect to be covered in blood, vomit, urine, feces and guts __________________ Abort the Obamanation not the Constitution Those who would, deny, require permit, license, certification, or authorization for me to bear arms are as dangerous & evil as those who would molest, abuse, assault, rape or murder my family

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