SHTF carbine/long gun for my wife? - Page 2

RSSZ · June 15th, 2006, 01:40 PM

To fit your parameters,there are no such animals. Unless there isn't anyone else in the house that you could kill(innocents).

Shotgun with light loads of 6 or 7 1/2 shot,to me, come closest.

Light recoil AND light weapon AND under $5C. Hmmmmmm ??

And you did say "bug in environment". To me no .223 or 7.62X39 needed. -------

Dave James · June 15th, 2006, 03:21 PM

Find you a Rossi lever gun, carbine model in 357 mag,, spend a few dollars slick the action,, mount a scout scope base,, instal a Red dot of your choice, take her out and shoot it.

Only thing I have done with mine thats different is I enlarge the lever loop just a tad for ease of use, it rides in the truck ever day, and stays at home with the wife when I 'm gone, I keep it stoke with 145 grain silver tips and or 180 hard cast

Redneck Repairs · June 15th, 2006, 04:09 PM

well it may be a bit on the heavy side but.... ill chime in for an SKS paratrooper model , it balances well , has a simple manual of arms , and no one can really dobut its effectiveness even from the short barrel . the wife enjoys my para more than her fullsize sks

Rob72 · June 15th, 2006, 05:05 PM

Redneck has a good idea. A used Ruger 77 in choice of caliber, with a 2-4x LER Tasco/Simmons/Bushnell scope, and chopping the barrel to 16-18" would work well also. I run a similar setup in .308 based on a Steyr Tactical. Fast, light, and softer than the Rem 700 PSS I traded off.

craig45 · June 15th, 2006, 06:54 PM

i have a sub 2000 9mm. excellent accuracy out to 70 yards(farthest i've really tried at). great capacity when equipped with 20 or 30 round mags.

mine has been totally reliable, except for a couple of failure to feeds in the first 25 rounds.

i recommend the stock extension if you buy the gun.
i glued part of an old recoil pad on the extension, and my wife can shoot it all day, as long as i load the mags, lol.

P95Carry · June 15th, 2006, 08:52 PM

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The little berreta Cx4 storms are nice but it probably will weigh too much

Can't totally agree there Bud - I tend to regard mine as a pretty lightweight gun really - hang on - will weigh it -

Ok - 6 1/2# so not featherweight but - very totable IMO. Biggest downside I reckon is they are too darned costly!!

RSSZ · June 16th, 2006, 07:47 AM

My Storm .45 weights in at 6lbs,6oz. with full length pic rail,red dot sight,and heavy duty,nylon sling.

But (gasp!!) only 9 shots. What if you have 10 BG's ??

P95, My hole's bigger than your hole I recon(?).

OD · June 16th, 2006, 08:50 AM

I'd agree with Dave, one of the leverguns chambered in a pistol caliber. My preference is for the Trapper models in .45 Colt. But the .357 truly shines in a carbine.

MR D · June 16th, 2006, 11:56 PM

m-1 carbine in .30 caliber carbine.....

hafta be a reproduction though as all the originals are way expensive...

(sorry I just sent mine out to Dad in Colorado, he needed a carbine in the cruiser and the Sheriff wouldn't buy one....)

(what about the Hi-Point carbines???)

joe/OH · June 17th, 2006, 09:54 AM

If you're serious about home-defense - no substitute for a shotgun. Mossberg will cost you less than $200. I know plenty of small statured women who can shoot 100's of 12ga. rounds in a trap session. Just need to learn to live with the recoil - use a shoulder pad if needed. She'll get used to it.

Problem with most rifle cartridges is over-penetration and the god-awful noise. Shotgun will be loud - but will not be anywhere close to an SKS. Short rifles also have flash issues.

I would not recommend anything less than buckshot - I use single 0 - but 00 is also popular. Bird shot simply does not have the penetration necessary to reach the vitals. Contrary to popular belief - buckshot is not a big over-penetrator.

Not to say you don't want or need a rifle for more of a SHTF situation - but I would make the shotgun the priority.

June 15th, 2006, 04:09 PM	#13
Redneck Repairs VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,064	well it may be a bit on the heavy side but.... ill chime in for an SKS paratrooper model , it balances well , has a simple manual of arms , and no one can really dobut its effectiveness even from the short barrel . the wife enjoys my para more than her fullsize sks __________________ Make sure you get full value out of today , Do something worthwhile, because what you do today will cost you one day off the rest of your life . We only begin to understand folks after we stop and think . Criminals are looking for victims, not opponents.

June 16th, 2006, 08:50 AM	#18
OD VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vatican City Posts: 2,606	I'd agree with Dave, one of the leverguns chambered in a pistol caliber. My preference is for the Trapper models in .45 Colt. But the .357 truly shines in a carbine. __________________ OD "Slow down, you'll get a more harmonious outcome...." -------------------------------------------- *"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." - Jeff Cooper*

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June 15th, 2006, 01:40 PM	#11
RSSZ Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,847	To fit your parameters,there are no such animals. Unless there isn't anyone else in the house that you could kill(innocents). Shotgun with light loads of 6 or 7 1/2 shot,to me, come closest. Light recoil AND light weapon AND under $5C. Hmmmmmm ?? And you did say "bug in environment". To me no .223 or 7.62X39 needed. -------

June 15th, 2006, 03:21 PM	#12
Dave James Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tidewater,VIrginia Posts: 240	Find you a Rossi lever gun, carbine model in 357 mag,, spend a few dollars slick the action,, mount a scout scope base,, instal a Red dot of your choice, take her out and shoot it. Only thing I have done with mine thats different is I enlarge the lever loop just a tad for ease of use, it rides in the truck ever day, and stays at home with the wife when I 'm gone, I keep it stoke with 145 grain silver tips and or 180 hard cast

June 15th, 2006, 05:05 PM	#14
Rob72 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 2,845	Redneck has a good idea. A used Ruger 77 in choice of caliber, with a 2-4x LER Tasco/Simmons/Bushnell scope, and chopping the barrel to 16-18" would work well also. I run a similar setup in .308 based on a Steyr Tactical. Fast, light, and softer than the Rem 700 PSS I traded off.

June 15th, 2006, 06:54 PM	#15
craig45 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: crestview fl Posts: 472	i have a sub 2000 9mm. excellent accuracy out to 70 yards(farthest i've really tried at). great capacity when equipped with 20 or 30 round mags. mine has been totally reliable, except for a couple of failure to feeds in the first 25 rounds. i recommend the stock extension if you buy the gun. i glued part of an old recoil pad on the extension, and my wife can shoot it all day, as long as i load the mags, lol.

June 16th, 2006, 07:47 AM	#17
RSSZ Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,847	My Storm .45 weights in at 6lbs,6oz. with full length pic rail,red dot sight,and heavy duty,nylon sling. But (gasp!!) only 9 shots. What if you have 10 BG's ?? P95, My hole's bigger than your hole I recon(?).

June 16th, 2006, 11:56 PM	#19
MR D Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 726	m-1 carbine in .30 caliber carbine..... hafta be a reproduction though as all the originals are way expensive... (sorry I just sent mine out to Dad in Colorado, he needed a carbine in the cruiser and the Sheriff wouldn't buy one....) (what about the Hi-Point carbines???)

June 17th, 2006, 09:54 AM	#20
joe/OH Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cinci, OH Posts: 376	If you're serious about home-defense - no substitute for a shotgun. Mossberg will cost you less than $200. I know plenty of small statured women who can shoot 100's of 12ga. rounds in a trap session. Just need to learn to live with the recoil - use a shoulder pad if needed. She'll get used to it. Problem with most rifle cartridges is over-penetration and the god-awful noise. Shotgun will be loud - but will not be anywhere close to an SKS. Short rifles also have flash issues. I would not recommend anything less than buckshot - I use single 0 - but 00 is also popular. Bird shot simply does not have the penetration necessary to reach the vitals. Contrary to popular belief - buckshot is not a big over-penetrator. Not to say you don't want or need a rifle for more of a SHTF situation - but I would make the shotgun the priority.