SHTF carbine/long gun for my wife? - Page 4

MR D · June 19th, 2006, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OD

You've never seen the ballistics tables of a .357 or .45 Colt from a carbine length barrel, have ya?

but I have, and you are right as usual OD

(I also ate some of that Elk dad got with his .44 Mag levergun....excellent brush gun!!)

OD · June 19th, 2006, 04:38 PM

Geez, how could I forget the .44, she's no wallflower, she'll get up and dance too.

Sorry Mr. D

Loandr. · June 20th, 2006, 06:03 PM

http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...ad.php?t=10741

Just posted some pics of mine here sir. Sub in 9 or .40 should do fine w/ oogles of options (Hey women like that :-) . I WILL caution you though the Charging handle can be stiff for her to operate(Get the Oversized one), leaving it tough to reload, make sure she can chamber a round before choosing such please.

LD

F350 · June 20th, 2006, 09:02 PM

I have 3 M-1 carbines, one of which has a 30 round mag in it loaded with HPs which is the wife's designated home defense gun when I am gone. We live on 90 acres so neighbors are not a big concern. I have told her if someone is in the house behind a wall and she has a good idea where they are; start about 2 feet to the left and shoot every 6" through the wall untill she is 2 feet to the right, listen for movement and repeat if needed. Hell ain't that what insurance is for.....and we could stand a little remodling anyway

Jaltered · June 20th, 2006, 11:27 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone! Would anyone recommend a .410 gauge shotgun for a tiny lady?

I've only shot my 12 and my friend's 20. Is the recoil closer to a 20 gauge or an AR?

Dave James · June 21st, 2006, 11:36 AM

Although most scoff at the 410, one of the best rigs going is the Mossberg Home defender in 410, it has a false muzzle break giving it the look of a 20ga,, a pistol griped forend and can have the butt stock replaced with the bantam one for smaller people, it handles 3" as while, stock it with the 3" buck shot loads and or slugs, it will do the job.. ITs a lite gun and recoil will be close to the 357/ 44 mag carbine area

pbrktrt · October 15th, 2006, 05:50 PM

has anyone had experience shooting the wolf 154 grain soft points?in 7.62 x 39

Hobie · October 16th, 2006, 12:42 PM

Used Marlin 1894C or CS in .357 Mag. Load with the 125 gr. JHP and she'll not have any problem with it. If you run onto a good Rossi (Puma/Legacy/Navy Arms/EMF) in .357 Mag, that'll do, too.

I'd recommend a GI .30 M1 Carbine loaded with SP rather than FMJ but they are a bit pricey nowadays.

PS. Some how I missed Dan's post. However, I'd say the .357 Mag is better for this use than the .45 or .44s.

Lew · October 16th, 2006, 01:29 PM

Personally I would get an autoloading shot gun. The action will help soak up the recoil. If you decide that a carbine is the way to go, then take a look at These.

Growing up I my dad had a .44 carbine and it was very nice. Pep sights and 10 rounds. I had quite a bit of fun with it and it felt almost identical to my 10-22. It was heaver but not too bad. It was .44 mag but the recoil was very light. I see these are various calibers and there are others available. Not too bad. I just got off the phone with dad and he is going to give me the .44 for my wife. THANKS DAD!!!!

ghost tracker · October 16th, 2006, 01:54 PM

Newbie to the forum with LOTS of trigger time. Great thread 'cause I've been considering all the same options for the same application (Wife's home-defense long gun). I've read all the posts & have an observation or two.
First, don't fall for "longer barrel always means more power" when considering pistol caliber carbines. It's not ALWAYS true. Some low pressure factory pistol loadings (.45 acp, .45 Colt) can actually be slower when fired from carbine length barrels. Unless a load is specifically designed to benefit (slower burning powder, etc.) for longer barrels, it's best to stay with higher pressure factory calibers because they benefit the most from extra length (.357 & .44 mag, 9mm, .40 S&W). If you handload you can cook up what you need, but then there's the legal issue of shooting an intruder with "souped-up" bullets. Any over-zealous prosecuter would just love that.
All that having been said...+P 9mm from a carbine = .357 mag., .40 S&W from a carbine = mid 10mm, .44 mag. from a carbine can come close to mild 45-70 (whew!). The 30 cal. M1 Carbine is a good caliber choice but the guns to fire it are either junk (Universal), WWII collectible or just plain expensive (Auto Ordinance). I think I'll buy a nice (but not mint) WWII M1 Carbine & let the Mrs. call it her rifle. She likely won't wear it out practicing & it'll stay a good investment. With any luck, I'll be home when she needs defending.

June 19th, 2006, 04:38 PM	#32
OD VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vatican City Posts: 2,650	Geez, how could I forget the .44, she's no wallflower, she'll get up and dance too. Sorry Mr. D __________________ OD "Slow down, you'll get a more harmonious outcome...." -------------------------------------------- *"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." - Jeff Cooper*

June 20th, 2006, 06:03 PM	#33
Loandr. Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ocala, FL. 34482 Posts: 30	http://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin...ad.php?t=10741 Just posted some pics of mine here sir. Sub in 9 or .40 should do fine w/ oogles of options (Hey women like that :-) . I WILL caution you though the Charging handle can be stiff for her to operate(Get the Oversized one), leaving it tough to reload, make sure she can chamber a round before choosing such please. LD __________________ "Draw Straight, Stay Sharp, and Always Watch your Back"...

June 20th, 2006, 11:27 PM	#35
Jaltered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 200	Thanks for all the suggestions everyone! Would anyone recommend a .410 gauge shotgun for a tiny lady? I've only shot my 12 and my friend's 20. Is the recoil closer to a 20 gauge or an AR? __________________ Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy: http://www.xanga.com/jaltered

October 16th, 2006, 01:29 PM	#39
Lew Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wiscasset, Maine Posts: 322	Personally I would get an autoloading shot gun. The action will help soak up the recoil. If you decide that a carbine is the way to go, then take a look at These. Growing up I my dad had a .44 carbine and it was very nice. Pep sights and 10 rounds. I had quite a bit of fun with it and it felt almost identical to my 10-22. It was heaver but not too bad. It was .44 mag but the recoil was very light. I see these are various calibers and there are others available. Not too bad. I just got off the phone with dad and he is going to give me the .44 for my wife. THANKS DAD!!!! __________________ There are 2 types of people, victims and the prepared. I choose to be prepared.... "Bless thee, O Lord, This handgrenade, that it may blow thine enemies to bits. Amen" ~Monty Python's Holy Grail My Blazer Website My new, Unofficial Cam and Company Fan site.

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June 20th, 2006, 09:02 PM	#34
F350 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Columbia, MO area Posts: 520	I have 3 M-1 carbines, one of which has a 30 round mag in it loaded with HPs which is the wife's designated home defense gun when I am gone. We live on 90 acres so neighbors are not a big concern. I have told her if someone is in the house behind a wall and she has a good idea where they are; start about 2 feet to the left and shoot every 6" through the wall untill she is 2 feet to the right, listen for movement and repeat if needed. Hell ain't that what insurance is for.....and we could stand a little remodling anyway

June 21st, 2006, 11:36 AM	#36
Dave James Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tidewater,VIrginia Posts: 241	Although most scoff at the 410, one of the best rigs going is the Mossberg Home defender in 410, it has a false muzzle break giving it the look of a 20ga,, a pistol griped forend and can have the butt stock replaced with the bantam one for smaller people, it handles 3" as while, stock it with the 3" buck shot loads and or slugs, it will do the job.. ITs a lite gun and recoil will be close to the 357/ 44 mag carbine area

October 15th, 2006, 05:50 PM	#37
pbrktrt Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: muskegon,mi Posts: 21	has anyone had experience shooting the wolf 154 grain soft points?in 7.62 x 39

October 16th, 2006, 12:42 PM	#38
Hobie Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 15	Used Marlin 1894C or CS in .357 Mag. Load with the 125 gr. JHP and she'll not have any problem with it. If you run onto a good Rossi (Puma/Legacy/Navy Arms/EMF) in .357 Mag, that'll do, too. I'd recommend a GI .30 M1 Carbine loaded with SP rather than FMJ but they are a bit pricey nowadays. PS. Some how I missed Dan's post. However, I'd say the .357 Mag is better for this use than the .45 or .44s.

October 16th, 2006, 01:54 PM	#40
ghost tracker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ky Backwoods Posts: 615	Newbie to the forum with LOTS of trigger time. Great thread 'cause I've been considering all the same options for the same application (Wife's home-defense long gun). I've read all the posts & have an observation or two. First, don't fall for "longer barrel always means more power" when considering pistol caliber carbines. It's not ALWAYS true. Some low pressure factory pistol loadings (.45 acp, .45 Colt) can actually be slower when fired from carbine length barrels. Unless a load is specifically designed to benefit (slower burning powder, etc.) for longer barrels, it's best to stay with higher pressure factory calibers because they benefit the most from extra length (.357 & .44 mag, 9mm, .40 S&W). If you handload you can cook up what you need, but then there's the legal issue of shooting an intruder with "souped-up" bullets. Any over-zealous prosecuter would just love that. All that having been said...+P 9mm from a carbine = .357 mag., .40 S&W from a carbine = mid 10mm, .44 mag. from a carbine can come close to mild 45-70 (whew!). The 30 cal. M1 Carbine is a good caliber choice but the guns to fire it are either junk (Universal), WWII collectible or just plain expensive (Auto Ordinance). I think I'll buy a nice (but not mint) WWII M1 Carbine & let the Mrs. call it her rifle. She likely won't wear it out practicing & it'll stay a good investment. With any luck, I'll be home when she needs defending.