SHTF carbine/long gun for my wife? - Page 5

pgrass101 · October 16th, 2006, 03:50 PM

I vote for the good ole M-1 carbine, a USGI pre-67 Plainfield or a new repro from Auto-Ordance or Fulton Armory. They can get a bit pricey !

purple88yj · October 16th, 2006, 04:15 PM

I'll second (or third...or fourth) a good ol' pump .410.

Good for squirrel as well as defense. One of my shotties is a .410 (single shot). Not exactly a defenseive rifle, but it sure beats a sharp stick.

My other shottie is a Winchester 1200 with an 18-1/4" barrel.

Leadslinger · October 16th, 2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaltered

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone! Would anyone recommend a .410 gauge shotgun for a tiny lady?

I've only shot my 12 and my friend's 20. Is the recoil closer to a 20 gauge or an AR?

How about the Winchester .410 lever action ?

Yeah it might not be a "tactical" self defense 12 ga. BUT...

I wouldn't want to be standing in front of it, when it cuts loose across

a room.

paknheat · October 16th, 2006, 09:53 PM

Well Jaltered, You have been given quite a selection of options from the members here. All i could add would be to maybe take some time and the two of you go to a range where they rent weapons and let her try some out. Whatever she can handle comfortably , and place shots accuratley is what she needs.

sgtD · October 19th, 2006, 01:46 AM

Obviously, this discussion has covered a lot of info and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but:

BUG IN situation - definately a shottie -I think the recoil reduction of an auto is a plus for sure, especially in a 20GA and the right bird shot will reduce recoil further, like a #4 high brass game load or even a #6, but I prefer 4. If you don't think bird shot will reach vitals, check with Harry Whittington and Dick Cheyney. A small birdshot pellet (I would assume 71/2-9 for quail) from a 28 Ga, fired at a good distance, lodged next to the heart, so a high brass game load with 4-6 shot will be lethal at in house ranges without the buckshot recoil and overpenetration. Most women can shoot a 20ga pump just fine too, and they are cheaper so the Mossberg is a good choice. The biggest drawback to a .410 is the $8 per box ammo cost v. $3 for 20ga. and she needs plenty of pratice, right?

For a carbine/ as was the original question the lever .357 is a good choice as were most of the others. .357 ammo consideration was discussed from the angle of velocity reduction standpoint from a longer barrel, but one thing that was not mentioned is that in a hot .357 will increase velocity. I have read that velocity increases can create frangibility issues with bullets like the famous 125gr JHP in carbines. Heavier bullets and/or bonded bullets would be a better choice IMO. So, as was posted, but for a different reason, ammo choice is key.

For reliability v. cost - the SKS is hard to beat. But with any carbine, overpenetration is an issue in the house if others are present.

Just my 2 cents.

October 16th, 2006, 09:53 PM	#44
paknheat Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 248	Well Jaltered, You have been given quite a selection of options from the members here. All i could add would be to maybe take some time and the two of you go to a range where they rent weapons and let her try some out. Whatever she can handle comfortably , and place shots accuratley is what she needs. __________________ A armed person is a citizen-An unarmed person is a future victim.

October 19th, 2006, 01:46 AM	#45
sgtD Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,685	Obviously, this discussion has covered a lot of info and I don't want to beat a dead horse, but: BUG IN situation - definately a shottie -I think the recoil reduction of an auto is a plus for sure, especially in a 20GA and the right bird shot will reduce recoil further, like a #4 high brass game load or even a #6, but I prefer 4. If you don't think bird shot will reach vitals, check with Harry Whittington and Dick Cheyney. A small birdshot pellet (I would assume 71/2-9 for quail) from a 28 Ga, fired at a good distance, lodged next to the heart, so a high brass game load with 4-6 shot will be lethal at in house ranges without the buckshot recoil and overpenetration. Most women can shoot a 20ga pump just fine too, and they are cheaper so the Mossberg is a good choice. The biggest drawback to a .410 is the $8 per box ammo cost v. $3 for 20ga. and she needs plenty of pratice, right? For a carbine/ as was the original question the lever .357 is a good choice as were most of the others. .357 ammo consideration was discussed from the angle of velocity reduction standpoint from a longer barrel, but one thing that was not mentioned is that in a hot .357 will increase velocity. I have read that velocity increases can create frangibility issues with bullets like the famous 125gr JHP in carbines. Heavier bullets and/or bonded bullets would be a better choice IMO. So, as was posted, but for a different reason, ammo choice is key. For reliability v. cost - the SKS is hard to beat. But with any carbine, overpenetration is an issue in the house if others are present. Just my 2 cents. __________________ When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.

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October 16th, 2006, 03:50 PM	#41
pgrass101 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 6,105	I vote for the good ole M-1 carbine, a USGI pre-67 Plainfield or a new repro from Auto-Ordance or Fulton Armory. They can get a bit pricey !

October 16th, 2006, 04:15 PM	#42
purple88yj Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Piedmont Triad, NC Posts: 1,099	I'll second (or third...or fourth) a good ol' pump .410. Good for squirrel as well as defense. One of my shotties is a .410 (single shot). Not exactly a defenseive rifle, but it sure beats a sharp stick. My other shottie is a Winchester 1200 with an 18-1/4" barrel.