Socom 16 - Page 2

chris s · June 22nd, 2006, 03:21 PM

75Scout- I was thinking along the same lines. I can't decide if I like the socom or AR style. Just think about why the socom rifle was developed and for who. Granted the performance is better from a 26 inch barrel but if you talk to anyone who shoots single shot pistols the rifle calibers work very well.

Redneck Repairs · June 22nd, 2006, 03:45 PM

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if you talk to anyone who shoots single shot pistols the rifle calibers work very well.

Apples and oranges LOL Will the .308 work from a stubby , yes it will , just not well . you need absolute min of 18" ( actually 17.75 ) to get full powder burn from most surplus ammo . The battle rifle shines out past 200 yards and that is where you don't want any velocity degradation . Also Why would you want to weigh yourself down with a full battle rifle , and the attendant weight of ammo if your not going to take advantage of the full possibility's . If you want something which is acceptable at 0 to 3 or 400 yards well the modern assault rifle in .223 ( or in most states due to game and fish regulations ) 7.62 x 39 will provide anything you need in a lighter and smaller package .. just my thoughts on it and my FAL is a stg58 that still wears the original 21" bbl . I just cannot bring myself to shorten it up for a perceived convenience.

dimmak · June 22nd, 2006, 04:51 PM

I haven't been disappointed with my SOCOM II, however I didn't purchase it for long distance big game hunting purposes....

for long distance big game hunting, I prefer either my Weatherby Mark V in .308 or Remington 700 in .308....

As far as close quarters goes, I'd choose the SOCOM as quickly as my Stag 16" as the .308 makes the .223 bow in reverence -- although the .223 / 5.56 ammo is lighter and takes up less space....

'75scout · June 22nd, 2006, 08:36 PM

As for hunting, there are 5 round mags so I should be OK there. And I haven't ever been deer hunting so thats really isn't that much of a factor. I am just saying it'd nice if I could us the rifle for that purpose if I ever decided to go deer hunting. And I live in Texas where long range shots aren't all that common.

I mainly want a rifle that I can have fun with and is a little different from everyone elses AR and AK. I'm not that great of a shot anyways so the inherent accuracy of the rifle isn't as important either.

I don't plan on going to war with this rifle, but if there ever was a shtf senario I'm sure any rifle would be an added benifit to my shotgun and handguns. An I love the looks of the Garand and M1A variants. But I would consider the 18" barrel M1A. It might be the best of both worlds, an increase in accuracy while still being fairly nimble.

OD · June 22nd, 2006, 09:05 PM

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I mainly want a rifle that I can have fun with and is a little different from everyone elses AR and AK.

Have you given any thought to the Galil?
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...lil/Galil.html

'75scout · June 22nd, 2006, 09:18 PM

Yes I like the Galil alot but I've never seen one for less than 2 grand. Thats a little pricey for a dressed up AK.

joe/OH · June 23rd, 2006, 08:20 AM

If you're not concerned about accuracy, then the AK-47 fits the bill. You can't beat it for the money and it's kind of like the Glock of the handgun world - ugly, reliable, and does what it was designed for. I know you said you want something different - so maybe take a look at the VEPR from Robinson Arms. You can even get them in 308 if you're really sold on that cartridge. Saiga is another option if you haven't looked at them.

The reason I would prefer the smaller cartridge in close quarters is simply follow up. The 308 is a powerful round but it reallly shines on the battlefield (100-500 yards) - not indoors (10-20 feet).

'75scout · June 23rd, 2006, 08:57 PM

For the longest time I wanted a VEPR in 7.62x39. If I was going to get an Ak it would be in 7.62x39. And then next time I see one I'll do my best to snatch it up. I like AKs and will eventually get one but for now I wan an American gun. I could buy an AR lower locally and then buy an upper online and save a significant amount. But If I get an AR I will constantly be buying tactical stuff I don't need to hang on it (Aimpoint, Vltor stock and grip, rail system, surefire light).

I love the M1As and I'm a little suprised at all of the negative comments. But maybe thats because I specifically mentioned the SOCOM 16. If that is the case and so many dislike them I might be better off with the 18" M1A. And this weapon isn't for CBQ, thats what my Rem 870 is for! It's just for fun (often), hunting (unlikely), and a shtf rifle (even more unlikely).

rocky · June 23rd, 2006, 09:06 PM

Try reading up here, and maybe posting some questions. So were complaining of the newer socom, M1A and other Springfield rifles quality not being good.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=6

Also, why spend all that money if you are not that good of shot? Perhaps a SKS or similar might suit your needs as well. Bottom line, its your dough, spend it how ya want.

'75scout · June 23rd, 2006, 09:56 PM

Life is short. I might as well get what I want. And on that same line of thought, if I don't plan on getting into any CBQ shootouts why would I want an AR with a $400 red dot sight and hundreds of other dollars in accessories? The answer is I don't know. Thats just what I want. I'm not a horrible shot, I'm just not a marksmen. Due to the fact that I go to the range at least weekly now instead on once a month I'm getting much better.

June 22nd, 2006, 04:51 PM	#13
dimmak Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: TN Posts: 1,754	I haven't been disappointed with my SOCOM II, however I didn't purchase it for long distance big game hunting purposes.... for long distance big game hunting, I prefer either my Weatherby Mark V in .308 or Remington 700 in .308.... As far as close quarters goes, I'd choose the SOCOM as quickly as my Stag 16" as the .308 makes the .223 bow in reverence -- although the .223 / 5.56 ammo is lighter and takes up less space.... __________________ "Ray Nagin is a colossal disappointment" - NRA/ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox. "...be water, my friend."

June 23rd, 2006, 09:06 PM	#19
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 11,767	Try reading up here, and maybe posting some questions. So were complaining of the newer socom, M1A and other Springfield rifles quality not being good. http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=6&f=6 Also, why spend all that money if you are not that good of shot? Perhaps a SKS or similar might suit your needs as well. Bottom line, its your dough, spend it how ya want. __________________ "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson Nemo Me Impune Lacesset Link to my kydex builds:http://rocknloadkydex.blogspot.com/

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June 22nd, 2006, 03:21 PM	#11
chris s Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 83	75Scout- I was thinking along the same lines. I can't decide if I like the socom or AR style. Just think about why the socom rifle was developed and for who. Granted the performance is better from a 26 inch barrel but if you talk to anyone who shoots single shot pistols the rifle calibers work very well.

June 22nd, 2006, 08:36 PM	#14
'75scout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,165	As for hunting, there are 5 round mags so I should be OK there. And I haven't ever been deer hunting so thats really isn't that much of a factor. I am just saying it'd nice if I could us the rifle for that purpose if I ever decided to go deer hunting. And I live in Texas where long range shots aren't all that common. I mainly want a rifle that I can have fun with and is a little different from everyone elses AR and AK. I'm not that great of a shot anyways so the inherent accuracy of the rifle isn't as important either. I don't plan on going to war with this rifle, but if there ever was a shtf senario I'm sure any rifle would be an added benifit to my shotgun and handguns. An I love the looks of the Garand and M1A variants. But I would consider the 18" barrel M1A. It might be the best of both worlds, an increase in accuracy while still being fairly nimble.

June 22nd, 2006, 09:18 PM	#16
'75scout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,165	Yes I like the Galil alot but I've never seen one for less than 2 grand. Thats a little pricey for a dressed up AK.

June 23rd, 2006, 08:20 AM	#17
joe/OH Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cinci, OH Posts: 376	If you're not concerned about accuracy, then the AK-47 fits the bill. You can't beat it for the money and it's kind of like the Glock of the handgun world - ugly, reliable, and does what it was designed for. I know you said you want something different - so maybe take a look at the VEPR from Robinson Arms. You can even get them in 308 if you're really sold on that cartridge. Saiga is another option if you haven't looked at them. The reason I would prefer the smaller cartridge in close quarters is simply follow up. The 308 is a powerful round but it reallly shines on the battlefield (100-500 yards) - not indoors (10-20 feet).

June 23rd, 2006, 08:57 PM	#18
'75scout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,165	For the longest time I wanted a VEPR in 7.62x39. If I was going to get an Ak it would be in 7.62x39. And then next time I see one I'll do my best to snatch it up. I like AKs and will eventually get one but for now I wan an American gun. I could buy an AR lower locally and then buy an upper online and save a significant amount. But If I get an AR I will constantly be buying tactical stuff I don't need to hang on it (Aimpoint, Vltor stock and grip, rail system, surefire light). I love the M1As and I'm a little suprised at all of the negative comments. But maybe thats because I specifically mentioned the SOCOM 16. If that is the case and so many dislike them I might be better off with the 18" M1A. And this weapon isn't for CBQ, thats what my Rem 870 is for! It's just for fun (often), hunting (unlikely), and a shtf rifle (even more unlikely).

June 23rd, 2006, 09:56 PM	#20
'75scout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,165	Life is short. I might as well get what I want. And on that same line of thought, if I don't plan on getting into any CBQ shootouts why would I want an AR with a $400 red dot sight and hundreds of other dollars in accessories? The answer is I don't know. Thats just what I want. I'm not a horrible shot, I'm just not a marksmen. Due to the fact that I go to the range at least weekly now instead on once a month I'm getting much better.