Rifle hollow points or not?

Bryan · June 26th, 2006, 11:40 AM

Ok has anyone had feeding problems with hollow points in 7.62 or .223? Is there any advantage like not over penetrating, more transfer of force and lethality or is FMJ good enough(its not like I have to obey the geneva convention)? I'm looking at 7.62 specifically.

P95Carry · June 26th, 2006, 12:15 PM

Can't say I have used enough HP's to tell!

I do know the Wolf 122 grain 7.62x39 rounds feed fine with the small hollow point profile. I would expect these to cause more damage than FMJ.

Otherwise the trend always seems to be soft point or polymer tip like
''ballistic tip'' type examples. These when well designed have effects more profound thatn std FMJ's - certainly in hunting.

At rifle velocities I reckon drag/air-flow factors are more critical and so the spitzer profile is better adhered to without cavities up front - IMO.

dimmak · June 26th, 2006, 12:16 PM

i had an SKS that would not feed hp rounds at all....
it was a Chinese piece of junk and I sold it....
i'd imagine at rifle velocities soft points and even FMJ bullet designs will work just fine....
That's what I use....

Bud White · June 26th, 2006, 02:46 PM

Like Chris i couldn't Say i've shot enough Hp to tell Since i don't keep the AR-15 as a HD rifle i haven't bother shooting a lot Of Hp's thought it

Redneck Repairs · June 26th, 2006, 02:49 PM

Never had any issues with any of the ar pattern , sks pattern , hk pattern , nor my single fal . Never shot a lot of hp tho , just for cyoutes and prarie dogs on occation .

AutoFan · June 26th, 2006, 03:17 PM

FMJ's are not good for hunting, defensive purposes or long range accuracy (the last one has to do with bullet manufacturing). I've never really noticed a difference in feeding for rifles.

Rob72 · June 26th, 2006, 05:55 PM

Maybe I'm confused, or just haven't shopped the latest vairiety, but rifle HPs that I've used are the Sierra 168 gr BTHP variety, and "HP" is a bit of a misnomer. I've never seen a rifle round, in .223 or .30 cal with a handgun style HP cavity...? Because of the weight distribution, BTHPs are the most accurate long range rounds, but a good spitzer power point or soft point would be a better COM "game taker", generally speaking.

rocky · June 26th, 2006, 10:21 PM

Lots of good hunting rounds that should work fine for HD. Also TAP ammo from honandy might be the ticket. I have yet to try em thru my AR though.

Freedz · June 28th, 2006, 02:03 PM

My AK chews up wolf hollowpoints just as well as the fmj. Thats really the only experience I have with rifle hollowpoints

BigEd63 · June 29th, 2006, 04:34 PM

The onlly hollow points I've shot a lot of have been SPEER "TNT" 125gr HP's I've loaded for my .308's for coyote shooting. (4 or 2legged for that matter) And they've worked fine in my M1-A.

June 26th, 2006, 11:40 AM	#1
Bryan Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 334	Rifle hollow points or not? Ok has anyone had feeding problems with hollow points in 7.62 or .223? Is there any advantage like not over penetrating, more transfer of force and lethality or is FMJ good enough(its not like I have to obey the geneva convention)? I'm looking at 7.62 specifically. __________________ -Diplomacy: The art of saying nice dogie until you can find a rock. -The truth is a three edged sword. -Your brain is your primary weapon everything else is just a tool. -When the only tool you have is a hammer then everything starts to look like a nail.

June 26th, 2006, 12:15 PM	#2
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,366	Can't say I have used enough HP's to tell! I do know the Wolf 122 grain 7.62x39 rounds feed fine with the small hollow point profile. I would expect these to cause more damage than FMJ. Otherwise the trend always seems to be soft point or polymer tip like ''ballistic tip'' type examples. These when well designed have effects more profound thatn std FMJ's - certainly in hunting. At rifle velocities I reckon drag/air-flow factors are more critical and so the spitzer profile is better adhered to without cavities up front - IMO. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

June 26th, 2006, 12:16 PM	#3
dimmak Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: TN Posts: 1,754	i had an SKS that would not feed hp rounds at all.... it was a Chinese piece of junk and I sold it.... i'd imagine at rifle velocities soft points and even FMJ bullet designs will work just fine.... That's what I use.... __________________ "Ray Nagin is a colossal disappointment" - NRA/ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox. "...be water, my friend."

June 26th, 2006, 10:21 PM	#8
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 11,624	Lots of good hunting rounds that should work fine for HD. Also TAP ammo from honandy might be the ticket. I have yet to try em thru my AR though. __________________ "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson Nemo Me Impune Lacesset Link to my kydex builds:http://rocknloadkydex.blogspot.com/

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June 26th, 2006, 02:46 PM	#4
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	Like Chris i couldn't Say i've shot enough Hp to tell Since i don't keep the AR-15 as a HD rifle i haven't bother shooting a lot Of Hp's thought it

June 26th, 2006, 02:49 PM	#5
Redneck Repairs VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,141	Never had any issues with any of the ar pattern , sks pattern , hk pattern , nor my single fal . Never shot a lot of hp tho , just for cyoutes and prarie dogs on occation .

June 26th, 2006, 03:17 PM	#6
AutoFan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Sunshine State Posts: 938	FMJ's are not good for hunting, defensive purposes or long range accuracy (the last one has to do with bullet manufacturing). I've never really noticed a difference in feeding for rifles.

June 26th, 2006, 05:55 PM	#7
Rob72 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 2,998	Maybe I'm confused, or just haven't shopped the latest vairiety, but rifle HPs that I've used are the Sierra 168 gr BTHP variety, and "HP" is a bit of a misnomer. I've never seen a rifle round, in .223 or .30 cal with a handgun style HP cavity...? Because of the weight distribution, BTHPs are the most accurate long range rounds, but a good spitzer power point or soft point would be a better COM "game taker", generally speaking.

June 28th, 2006, 02:03 PM	#9
Freedz Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Western PA Posts: 328	My AK chews up wolf hollowpoints just as well as the fmj. Thats really the only experience I have with rifle hollowpoints

June 29th, 2006, 04:34 PM	#10
BigEd63 Ex Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Arkansas Posts: 318	The onlly hollow points I've shot a lot of have been SPEER "TNT" 125gr HP's I've loaded for my .308's for coyote shooting. (4 or 2legged for that matter) And they've worked fine in my M1-A.