'75scout

Yep I used to use 00 buck but I'm switching to #4. I'll take 27 pellets over 9. I belive the #4 will dump more energy and will deliver much more trama.

Ti Carry

I retract my first statement, seems as if they have had a price surge around here. That same 870 I said I could get here for $260.00 not on sale! well I just looked it up from my same FFL dealer and it is now $315.00. I should have bought it back then. Even with the rebate in August I will be spending more now, I wonder if the rebate is the reason for the increase? Something is funny around here.

The Marine Magnum is also more, it was $519.95 is now $565.00! has anyone herd of a price jump with Remmington as of late?


Ti.

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HotGuns

Just a note about 870's that no one seems to notice...

the "Express" 870's are not parkerized, they are bead blasted and blued for a dull finish. Their stocks and forearms are made from hardwood. These are what Walmart and other stores usaully sell anywhere from 230 up to 260. They are not a bad deal.

The "Special Purpose"is a different shotgun and it will be printed on the reciever. It is a parkerized finish, had handrubbed oiled walnut stocks and will generally come with a 26 inch barrel or a rifled barrel whereas the Express will usaully have a 28 inch barrel.

The Special Purposes will be at least $100 more than the Express...sometimes more. These were the first "turkey hunting" shotguns that came out around 1982.

Although they look alot alike, they really arent.

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HotGuns

Not exactly. A few studies showed that #4 shot didnt have near the penetration that 00 or 000 buck did and that there were more failures to stop immediatley. I believe that was at 25 yards.

Although I cant remember the source, (maybe FBI study?) it caused a lot a Police depts. to switch from no.4 buck to 00 or 000 buck.

Of course, if you are in your house and the range is measured in feet instead of yards, I doubt that it would matter...

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'75scout

Yes I know that at a distance the 00 will probably work better. But My 870's main role is for inside the apartment and at those distances I believe #4 to be equal of better.

For those longer shots I have 1oz slugs and rifle sights on my 870. I'll be keeping a healthy supply of #4, 00, and slugs around so I'll have my options.

HotGuns

Actually, you would prabably be better served with number 4 in an apartment where penetration could be an issue.

For that matter, I doubt that anyone could stand a hunting load of number 6 shot. That would be even better for close quarters living.

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Doc Holliday

Well lets talk about this. I have 00 in mine but I am very concerned about pentration. I have a two year old on the other side of the house and I have to be careful about the direction I fire in. Would #4 Buck be better in that respect? I know some folks in my predicament load with birdshot but I don't agree with that school of thought. There is not nearly enough penetration most of the time even at inside range.

C'mon guys lets debate this.

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HotGuns

Well...look at it like this.

If some of that #00 gets away from you when shooting a badguy and you inadvertently kill your kid on the other side of the wall, you really havent accomplished much.

Using #6 shot will do the same thing to the perp, without the danger of going though a standard stud wall, and those that do wont have the energy to do much.

A standard load of 6 wont "open" up for at least several feet, and if the BG is in range it will be basically like hitting him with a slug. Even if it didnt put him down right there, he couldnt stand getting hit with a few more shots.

Seriously, would anyone here want to take a load of even #shot at less than 15 or 20 feet ?

If you are worried about penetration, the lighter loads would be better.

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Ti Carry

This has been debated over and over again. To each his own on what one chooses to use. The box-o-truth pretty much tells the whole story anyway, if I had the link to it I'd post it.

I use OO buck and I am very aware of rule #4! I have a house on 5 acres though.


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P95Carry

As HG says - heavy BB's and slugs in particular could well be ambarrassing re penetration regarding walls.

I keep #4 loads in my 870 and reckon that these at close quarters will very easily ''deter'' any aggressor!

BTW Bob - scroll up to my post #4 - you'll see my ''Special Purpose'' and it's 20" which I am sure was as supplied to the guy I bought it from. Lovely shottie BTW it takes screw in chokes and the guy I bought from had the rifles choke to use for his Turkey shooting. I keep the full choke installed (wonder why!! !)

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