The ultimate budget combat rifle....

armoredman · December 17th, 2004, 10:27 AM

It's all I have, but I can hit 3.5 inch at 100 yards with Wolf ammo....can't argue at $70!!! May get an SKS early next year, workin'up to an AK for the wife, and FAL for me, if the state ever give us the raise!

meme · December 20th, 2004, 07:55 PM

and not kid myself about what I could accomplish with my rifle. By saving 10c or so per shot, I could practice a lot and save money for an sks. You only need another $80 and the $70 you shouldn't have spent on a bolt action (if what you wanted was fighting ability). The bolt action went out as a combat rifle in WW2, over 60 years ago, man.

armoredman · December 21st, 2004, 11:42 AM

Let me start this off saying it was supposed to be a reply to another post, not starting a thread, my bad. I certainly wasn't intending to start a confrontation over this fine old carbine - but here we go.

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Originally posted by meme
and not kid myself about what I could accomplish with my rifle.

Who's kidding? I can hit what I aim at, and put it down hard, which is NOT always possible with a .22, semi, bolt, or full auto.

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By saving 10c or so per shot, I could practice a lot and save money for an sks.

I AM saving for an SKS, actually two. In the meantime, food on the table becomes important.BTW, surplus ammo is very cheap in 7.62x54r.

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You only need another $80 and the $70 you shouldn't have spent on a bolt action

Really? Perhaps I should A) tell you it was a GIFT! (I posted the price for comparison), and B) don't tell me what to spend my money on. If all I had was $70, a nice battle proven design might be what I can get, especially if I can't get another $80 . Better a Mosin in your hand, than an FAL on the dealers shelves if and when you need it!

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(if what you wanted was fighting ability). The bolt action went out as a combat rifle in WW2, over 60 years ago, man.

Mosin M44s are still found as third line rifles in many countries. Why? They work well. Many pics were published of Viet Cong carying Mosin M44s, as well.
I reiterate - I don't choose a bolt action, 5 round rifle, as my primary because I want to, but because I have to. When the $ situation improves, I will move to two SKSs for me and the wife, then an AK for her, and an FAL for me. Until that time, my Russian friend is there if I need her.
If this post is too inflammatory, moderators, please feel free to delete this whole thread.

meme · December 21st, 2004, 11:58 AM

(or dont care) give them bolt actions. You wanna accept that sort of a handicap, be my guest. When people tell me that their lives , health, honor and freedom aint worth and "extra" $100, I tend to just accept their evaluation of what they are worth.

armoredman · December 21st, 2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by meme
(or dont care) give them bolt actions. You wanna accept that sort of a handicap, be my guest. When people tell me that their lives , health, honor and freedom aint worth and "extra" $100, I tend to just accept their evaluation of what they are worth.

Good thing your opinion isn't what I care that much about, Gunkid. Also good that I don't carry a rifle every day - I leave that for my CZ 75 PO1, one of the best 9mm on the market today. Next time read eerything before popping off - I am going to get better rifles, but when I can afford it. Food on the table is a little more important right now.

JT · December 21st, 2004, 05:51 PM

Hey armoredman –

That’s a good rifle you have there. Hell of a lot more accurate than an SKS. There’s a reason that the military still uses bolt actions for snipers. Same reason hunters use them.

I wouldn’t be without a bolt action in my collection. It’s a good idea to have a good bolt action and a good semi-auto rifle in your collection, just as you are planning. I started with a Mauser. Then I got an SKS. Later I upgraded to a better semi. Then I upgraded my bolt action to a Remington (but kept my Mauser – it’s still a great gun). I upgraded when I could afford it, but in the mean time I was pretty well prepared.

Betty · December 21st, 2004, 06:12 PM

Good rifle, armoredman. I love my M44 - built like a tank, hits what I aim at, and comes with a nice sharp, pointy thing.

armoredman · December 21st, 2004, 07:20 PM

Definately, Betty, I need an M44 to complete the collection, as I now have a M38 and 91/30/. I am not going to try to get all the arsenals, or variants, or look for a pristine 1907 carbine, but just three good Mosins.
Like a man said, "Beats harsh language."

Betty · December 22nd, 2004, 12:49 PM

My dad calls me a masochist because I enjoy shooting the M44. :D

Dad shooting my Mosin:

armoredman · December 22nd, 2004, 01:32 PM

Nice! See you have the pig sticker out, as some people don't know that Mosins with bayonets were often sighted in with the sharp end extended, and using it out will move POI to where you want it. Very nice.

BTW, speaking of pictures....First, is that your M44 leaning against a tree in one picture on the net?
Isn't that pic of you, kneeling with the Remington 1891? I use both of them as wallpaper sometimes.

December 17th, 2004, 10:27 AM	#1
armoredman Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AZ Posts: 484	The ultimate budget combat rifle.... It's all I have, but I can hit 3.5 inch at 100 yards with Wolf ammo....can't argue at $70!!! May get an SKS early next year, workin'up to an AK for the wife, and FAL for me, if the state ever give us the raise!

December 20th, 2004, 07:55 PM	#2
meme Troll Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 29	Rather a used, $50 Marlin M60 22 autorifle and not kid myself about what I could accomplish with my rifle. By saving 10c or so per shot, I could practice a lot and save money for an sks. You only need another $80 and the $70 you shouldn't have spent on a bolt action (if what you wanted was fighting ability). The bolt action went out as a combat rifle in WW2, over 60 years ago, man.

December 21st, 2004, 11:58 AM	#4
meme Troll Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 29	If you want to lose a million+ men in the war (or dont care) give them bolt actions. You wanna accept that sort of a handicap, be my guest. When people tell me that their lives , health, honor and freedom aint worth and "extra" $100, I tend to just accept their evaluation of what they are worth.

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December 21st, 2004, 05:51 PM	#6
JT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,099	Hey armoredman – That’s a good rifle you have there. Hell of a lot more accurate than an SKS. There’s a reason that the military still uses bolt actions for snipers. Same reason hunters use them. I wouldn’t be without a bolt action in my collection. It’s a good idea to have a good bolt action and a good semi-auto rifle in your collection, just as you are planning. I started with a Mauser. Then I got an SKS. Later I upgraded to a better semi. Then I upgraded my bolt action to a Remington (but kept my Mauser – it’s still a great gun). I upgraded when I could afford it, but in the mean time I was pretty well prepared.

December 21st, 2004, 06:12 PM	#7
Betty Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 2,740	Good rifle, armoredman. I love my M44 - built like a tank, hits what I aim at, and comes with a nice sharp, pointy thing.

December 21st, 2004, 07:20 PM	#8
armoredman Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AZ Posts: 484	Definately, Betty, I need an M44 to complete the collection, as I now have a M38 and 91/30/. I am not going to try to get all the arsenals, or variants, or look for a pristine 1907 carbine, but just three good Mosins. Like a man said, "Beats harsh language."

December 22nd, 2004, 12:49 PM	#9
Betty Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nashville Posts: 2,740	My dad calls me a masochist because I enjoy shooting the M44. :D Dad shooting my Mosin:

December 22nd, 2004, 01:32 PM	#10
armoredman Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AZ Posts: 484	Nice! See you have the pig sticker out, as some people don't know that Mosins with bayonets were often sighted in with the sharp end extended, and using it out will move POI to where you want it. Very nice. BTW, speaking of pictures....First, is that your M44 leaning against a tree in one picture on the net? Isn't that pic of you, kneeling with the Remington 1891? I use both of them as wallpaper sometimes.