AutoFan

Quite frankly, I think your criteria is too limiting. The same ammo, 1 MOA and only 400 rounds is not really viable. My SHTF ideal combo would be a 12 Gauge Shotgun (good to 100 yards) with a variety of loads and a bolt action in any common caliber (30-06, .308, 30-30, 5.56, etc.) with good glass on it, both preferably in stainless and synthetic materials.

Of course, if I had to go with what I actually have on hand, it would be my accurized AR-15 with the 75 grain hollowpoints and either my 1911 or Browning Hi Power (the classic dilemma of caliber vs capacity).

BigEd63

If you need the same caliber and all pls if money is no object get a M-14 built as a dedicated lng range rifle and buy a M1A SOCOM model. So even the mags will swap

Myself I'd dumpt the same ammo idea and have a good bolt action and an AR variant; most likely and M-4 type.

gregarat

In that case... Forget the crap abput the rangefinder, Spoting scope, and stuff.

My new vote is for the .308 Remington 700 , with a good, dependable, very durable scope. And a lever action, with Williams peep sights, and a luminated front post. If you realy want semi-auto, get a M14 platform.
I still think a cleaning kit is a must. (Its like eating off of dishes, that were never washed. It might make ya sick.) The Otis kits are quite small, and light. You can swap their brushes with nylon, and put good cleaning solvents in the lil bugger.(Im Bias tuard Otis, cause the company is located near where I spent the early part of my life, Lyons Falls, NY )

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cagueits

OK, what about this combo - lets scrap the bolt action rifle, go with a scoped 18" M1A, in either collapsible or socom versions for precision work in the 300-500yds, and an Ak for close-in reliability in the 0-300yds?

Now, for small game, the little USAF survival rifle to stuff in your rucksack, with a few 100 round boxes of .22ammo?

Links:

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ExSoldier

That's exactly my plan. I'm halfway there. Got an M1A Supermatch and got it worked on by ROBAR. ROGARD on the exterior, NP3 in the interior and got some other work done. Bought a Shepherd Range Finding 3x10 scope and about 10 20rd mags. I had a buddy of mine, a SEAL sniper helped me zero and tune it....break it in.

Next I'm going for the M1A SOCOM 16. The no frills model, except maybe a picatinney rail on the top for some kind of optic maybe a reflex or a holosight.

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ExSoldier

Why not a Kel-Tec sub-2000 folding carbine in 9mm?

That would give you a nice layer of antipersonnel capability with again mag exchasnge with a handgun. You can get it in Glock. And after market Glock Ultra Hi-Cap 33rd mags are readily available. So you could have multi-layered defensive abilities and small game killing power as well out to about 130 meters.

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HotGuns

If its all come to a screaching halt and we are talking about survival...

I will take my suppressed .300 Whisper 16" barrel AR with collapsible stock and night vision scope. The NIGHTwill be mine if needed.

With this I can used subsonic ammo that sounds about like a pellet gun with 220 grain bullets, or I can take the NV off, use the standard sights and use supersonic ammo in the 125-150 grain range that is roughly equal to a 7.62 AK round but with a 30 round mag for situations that require a lot of shots fast. A quiet shot in the dark can be a great force mutiplier.

The G-3 will cover everything else.

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paknheat

My wife and i have a plan for SHTF. Provided we have enough time to implement it in full. We would not be staying in our house. We would fall back to the country where my folks place is. Between what we have and they have we would be self sefecient for quite a few months. They live in a unique area where there would be about 5 families of survival -type , Die hard Rednecks to buddy up with out there. I am a hobby gunsmith , so cleaning supplies would not come into play.All we would need would be about an hour to Bug-Out. As far as weapons and ammo go, I am prepared for up close, Way out far, And everything in between.As i am sure most of the members on the Forum are as well.

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jercamp45

with different criteria.
Tricked out AK is the rifle. Colt CCO .45 is the pistol. Looking for a medium sized .22 auto pistol to serve as small game/back up(wish I still had my Beretta M70!!). Would love to have a suppressor for the theoretical Beretta or .45.
Ain't the perfect set up for sure. But it suits my needs well.
No family here...if things get weird...think I'll head up to the Pacific Northwest to hide in them thar mountains and rain forests.

ExSoldier

That's quite a jump in a SHTF situation. I was stationed at Fort Lewis from 1981-84. You ever been up in them THAR "hills?" You know something, I'll bet a lot of folks on this board have the same thought, so let's analyze this a bit.

FIRST: TERRAIN

Rugged doesn't do it justice. Ever look at a topigraphical map? All those squiggly little lines give the grade or steepness of the terrain. On a normal 1:50,000 map the distance between the lines is IIRC, 20 feet. THe closer the lines are together signifies the steepness of the grade. Using the standard topo map for post...we called it the "Fort Lewis Special" map...the distance between those lines was 100 METERS and usually squished so close together so as to resemble hashmarks on a ruler. Now add COLD and constantly WET. That area of the country measures annual rainfall at about 100 inches a year. So thirst isn't much of a problem if you know how to gather and store the water and have a way to purify creekwater. Trust me...there are NO wilderness water sources free of bacteria or pollutants that will harm you if taken internally over a long period of time. ALL water must be purified! BTW, What's the rainfall in Vegas?

Next: A Rise in Population Density

Now throw in another factor: In a SHTF situation every survivalist and Rambo wannbe in a five state radius will have the same exact idea...except that about 50% of those will know them THAR hills like the back of their hands and have their various arsenals along for the ride. Not to mention the folks who already have isolated hunting cabins or established "survival groups" in the area. There are dozens of those. The area may also be overrun with Canadian survivalists and hunters. The first thought on everybody's mind will be food. There will be two categories of folks now: HUNTERS and PREDATORS.

HUNTING

Forget seasons. This is survival. The game...ALL the game will be gone in a matter of weeks. Now what? To survive requires that you expend fewer calories than you consume in the gathering of food. With the four footed game gone that leaves three sources: Berries and veggies, birds and fish. You can't survive on berries. Need protein. That's why the granola crunchers from California will be toast at the outset. Most folks will try to shoot the birds. Bad idea. It wastes precious ammo and effort. You're burning calories all the while. Shooting birds is a sport not a survival tactic.

The only technique that makes any sense for the long term is TRAPPING. It's quiet. It works 24/7 and you don't have to be present to win. It gathers game in such a fashion that the prey doesn't move elsewhere. You can trap birds, fish and people just as easily. So it's a way to gather food and keep security. Because you won't have access to claymore mines. Ragnar Benson has two excellent books on mantrapping out. You can buy them thru Paladin Press. I learned that several of his variations are taught in the military as well. Some are labor intensive, but if you rig them right, they'll work. But they are terrain specific. What works in Nevada will not also work in Washington State and vice versa.

TWO LEGGED PREDATORS

A SHTF scenario by definition is a lawless free fire zone. Actually: Those with the firepower make the laws. It won't take long for the granola crunching sheep to be knocked off. The rambo wannabes without a permanent shelter in place and sufficent numbers of guns and ammo and most importantly: KNOWLEDGE will be culled next and their goods assimilated (sounds like the BORG: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE). So it all boils down to numbers, assets and permanent shelter already being present and a well practiced plan in place. That sound like you?

The folks who will last the course will be those "survivalists" who saw it coming and got ready probably years in advance. They'll recruit folks like the ex-military "specialists" who will have the training and skills. They will fall into a ideological niche (they'll have family along and have similar beliefs as the rest of the group) so as not to present a threat to the overall community.

There will be post apocalyptic bands of predators roving the area looking to rape, kill and feed off the weak. Like the California granola crunchers. Unfortunately MANY of these guys will be military themselves and many will be in uniforms with the issued equipment. How'd you like to run across a patrol with your custom AK and find yourself facing two M-60's and a few SAWs as well as 12 M4's? Not a pretty picture, huh?

Please, everybody envisioning this scenario.....please read this:

Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It's a novel of survival. Also read GREAT LIVIN' IN GRUBBY TIMES by Special Forces Sgt Paul. He has a few books out. Pathfinder Press published them but you might find them elsewhere in a search.

Sorry. Didn't mean to ramble, folks. I started thinking about this and the words just poured out. Jercamp45, I'm not ranting at you or trying to beat you up. AT ALL. Ask the other folks here. I'm not like that. But if you envision this kind of an extreme scenario, think it all the way through and make plans accordingly. Other folks are and they are deadly serious. It won't be a game. Second place is DEAD.

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