.22lr/.223/.308/30-30? - Page 2

paknheat · October 16th, 2006, 09:25 PM

If using your home-defense guns for a general SHTF senario, then mine would be: Hers- AR-15 , MossBerg 20 ga, M-10 S&W.38. Mine would be: SKS, Remington 870 12ga. Ruger Speed-Six in .357 and the Ruger10-22. All are accompanied by PLENTY of ammo and spare mags, stripper clips, speed loaders, etc. That is what is on hand ready to go right now. However, we are speaking of a SHTF senario, where we are holding down the fort correct? I mean the homestead, not bugging out.

jercamp45 · October 17th, 2006, 04:21 AM

Well, as everyone stated...the .22 is very handy all-around survival gun...but lacking in power for larger, more dangerous critters.
The shotgun is OK for close range stuff.
But something with alittle more reach is definately nice.
AR's are great! With the right optics, and accessories you'd have a great tool that'll reach out aways with minimum recoil. But with the AR's....you spend a bunch of money, then find ways to put even more money into it........not soo bad for a terminal gunnut(like me), but not so good if you want a simple inexpensive tool.
I like AK's too...have one and will keep it. But they cost some and look rather menacing...not an average house gun.
Take a look at an SKS...10 rounds, dirt simple, ammo is not too expensive, can get 30-30 ballistic out of it without the recoil or manually operating the lever.
Zero the 7.62 russian at 25, and it should drop 53ish inches at 300 yards. Not a long range rifle by anymeans, nor super accurate.....but it will get the job done and how far do you really need to shoot?
Only you can decide that.
Ideas to ponder.

farronwolf · October 17th, 2006, 11:53 AM

Everyone should have at least 1 22 rifle, or maybe even a half dozen like I do. You just can't beat them for teaching people to shoot and the cost of operation. However, it would not be my first choice in what I would want for a defensive rifle as questioned.

Everyone should also have a shotgun in their safe. Not much explaination for it.

For 100 to 125 yds and less, any 30/30, 32 win sp, 35 rem, will do just nicely. They all have about the same ballistics but the 30/30 are easier to find. I prefer the marlins over the winchesters especially if you want a scope, I don't need one for that short yardage yet, I ain't 60.

For over 125 yds out to 300 or so maybe to 400 yds, I would keep the old trusty 30.06, or maybe the 270 with a good 3x9 or 4x12 scope on it. You get these sighted in properly and they are deadly accurate.

Over 400 yds, you might want to start to look at a 300 win mag. or some other longer range caliber.

If you aren't going to have a large selection and are looking for the one gun in a pinch to shoot people or squirrels or other food I guess the 223 would be ok, I personally don't like the caliber. You can however get them much cheaper than the AR style guns. Ruger Ranch rifles, or a Saiga (never shot one) which is an AK styled gun are less expensive I believe. The 7.62x39 in either a sks or ak style is a good round also for most purposes. For the same money you could get both a 22 and some other larger caliber rifle that would do what you need.

Anyway, that is a tough question. What is the best all around rifle? No perfect answer in my opinion, I prefer many.

hsuCowboy98 · October 17th, 2006, 01:27 PM

You dont need a sledgehammer for a push pin, and you dont use a tack hammer on concrete.

Basically, for each caliber you listed, there is a use it is good for,a use it can do in a pinch, and a use it isnt suited for.

I prefer an AR style rifle for the use you listed, but other .223 carbines fit the bill fine.

For longer than 300 yards, the heavier calibers are prefered, but then you wouldnt be talking self defense at those types of ranges, and would be extremely hard to justify.

enigmaone · October 17th, 2006, 05:47 PM

M1A1 IMHO best general purpose rifle........

Tros · October 17th, 2006, 07:56 PM

People all have a different idea of what is needed for a survival situation. Some people believe in a shtf situation they need quality hunting firearms. For a survival situation I personally don't agree.

Yes, a person should have hunting firearms, but if a person thinks they are going to run out and start hunting in a shtf time, they might be sorely surprised to find that everybody and their dog has the same exact idea & can not survive off of what is available (supply and demand...)

As I mentioned, everybody has a different idea of what the right answer is for a survival situation. I think that a person should be very well stocked on food supplies (how much is up to you); and their weapon of choice should be for defensive purposes against looters and thieves that are possibly armed.

Some people will benefit from the hunting type of survival, and I don't discard the idea. I think a person should be prepared to hunt if need be, but have a surplus of supplies for a shtf situation.

Anyways, I'm rambling... I do enjoy talking about topics like this.

IMO, choose a rifle for defensive purposes first, and then look to see what would work well for hunting. IMHO a shotgun should be around, as well as a semi auto rifle.

sgtD · October 17th, 2006, 07:57 PM

After further thought, I find myself agreeing with jercamp45. An SKS is dependable, affordable, and ammo is plentiful and relatively cheap. If I could only have one rifle, and didn't want to spend a lot, SKS would definately be the choice.

retsupt99 · October 17th, 2006, 08:01 PM

An Armalite AR15 (A4) (flat top) with an EO Tech Hologram Sight has caught my eye. I am now searching the I-net and several local gun shops to find the best price...
I think that this is going to fill the defensive needs...but I'm still open for comments or suggestions.

Respectfully submitted,

ret

floridaguy911 · October 17th, 2006, 10:10 PM

I Have a 30-06. That will reach out and touch someone... buy one of those too.. (cheers)

October 16th, 2006, 09:25 PM	#11
paknheat Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 248	If using your home-defense guns for a general SHTF senario, then mine would be: Hers- AR-15 , MossBerg 20 ga, M-10 S&W.38. Mine would be: SKS, Remington 870 12ga. Ruger Speed-Six in .357 and the Ruger10-22. All are accompanied by PLENTY of ammo and spare mags, stripper clips, speed loaders, etc. That is what is on hand ready to go right now. However, we are speaking of a SHTF senario, where we are holding down the fort correct? I mean the homestead, not bugging out. __________________ A armed person is a citizen-An unarmed person is a future victim.

October 17th, 2006, 04:21 AM	#12
jercamp45 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 54	Greetings! Well, as everyone stated...the .22 is very handy all-around survival gun...but lacking in power for larger, more dangerous critters. The shotgun is OK for close range stuff. But something with alittle more reach is definately nice. AR's are great! With the right optics, and accessories you'd have a great tool that'll reach out aways with minimum recoil. But with the AR's....you spend a bunch of money, then find ways to put even more money into it........not soo bad for a terminal gunnut(like me), but not so good if you want a simple inexpensive tool. I like AK's too...have one and will keep it. But they cost some and look rather menacing...not an average house gun. Take a look at an SKS...10 rounds, dirt simple, ammo is not too expensive, can get 30-30 ballistic out of it without the recoil or manually operating the lever. Zero the 7.62 russian at 25, and it should drop 53ish inches at 300 yards. Not a long range rifle by anymeans, nor super accurate.....but it will get the job done and how far do you really need to shoot? Only you can decide that. Ideas to ponder.

October 17th, 2006, 11:53 AM	#13
farronwolf Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,262	Everyone should have at least 1 22 rifle, or maybe even a half dozen like I do. You just can't beat them for teaching people to shoot and the cost of operation. However, it would not be my first choice in what I would want for a defensive rifle as questioned. Everyone should also have a shotgun in their safe. Not much explaination for it. For 100 to 125 yds and less, any 30/30, 32 win sp, 35 rem, will do just nicely. They all have about the same ballistics but the 30/30 are easier to find. I prefer the marlins over the winchesters especially if you want a scope, I don't need one for that short yardage yet, I ain't 60. For over 125 yds out to 300 or so maybe to 400 yds, I would keep the old trusty 30.06, or maybe the 270 with a good 3x9 or 4x12 scope on it. You get these sighted in properly and they are deadly accurate. Over 400 yds, you might want to start to look at a 300 win mag. or some other longer range caliber. If you aren't going to have a large selection and are looking for the one gun in a pinch to shoot people or squirrels or other food I guess the 223 would be ok, I personally don't like the caliber. You can however get them much cheaper than the AR style guns. Ruger Ranch rifles, or a Saiga (never shot one) which is an AK styled gun are less expensive I believe. The 7.62x39 in either a sks or ak style is a good round also for most purposes. For the same money you could get both a 22 and some other larger caliber rifle that would do what you need. Anyway, that is a tough question. What is the best all around rifle? No perfect answer in my opinion, I prefer many. __________________ Just remember that shot placement is much more important with what you carry than how big a bang you get with each trigger pull.

October 17th, 2006, 01:27 PM	#14
hsuCowboy98 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,023	You dont need a sledgehammer for a push pin, and you dont use a tack hammer on concrete. Basically, for each caliber you listed, there is a use it is good for,a use it can do in a pinch, and a use it isnt suited for. I prefer an AR style rifle for the use you listed, but other .223 carbines fit the bill fine. For longer than 300 yards, the heavier calibers are prefered, but then you wouldnt be talking self defense at those types of ranges, and would be extremely hard to justify. __________________ Fear No Evil.

October 17th, 2006, 05:47 PM	#15
enigmaone Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: englewood fl Posts: 955	M1A1 IMHO best general purpose rifle........ __________________ quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

October 17th, 2006, 07:56 PM	#16
Tros Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Salina, KS Posts: 353	People all have a different idea of what is needed for a survival situation. Some people believe in a shtf situation they need quality hunting firearms. For a survival situation I personally don't agree. Yes, a person should have hunting firearms, but if a person thinks they are going to run out and start hunting in a shtf time, they might be sorely surprised to find that everybody and their dog has the same exact idea & can not survive off of what is available (supply and demand...) As I mentioned, everybody has a different idea of what the right answer is for a survival situation. I think that a person should be very well stocked on food supplies (how much is up to you); and their weapon of choice should be for defensive purposes against looters and thieves that are possibly armed. Some people will benefit from the hunting type of survival, and I don't discard the idea. I think a person should be prepared to hunt if need be, but have a surplus of supplies for a shtf situation. Anyways, I'm rambling... I do enjoy talking about topics like this. IMO, choose a rifle for defensive purposes first, and then look to see what would work well for hunting. IMHO a shotgun should be around, as well as a semi auto rifle. __________________ XD-45 w/Stainless Steel Red Cross CPR/First Aid/AED Instructor EX - OC Spray Instructor EX - Restraint Instructor

October 17th, 2006, 07:57 PM	#17
sgtD Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,505	After further thought, I find myself agreeing with jercamp45. An SKS is dependable, affordable, and ammo is plentiful and relatively cheap. If I could only have one rifle, and didn't want to spend a lot, SKS would definately be the choice. __________________ When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.

October 17th, 2006, 08:01 PM	#18
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 13,250	Narrowed Down the List... An Armalite AR15 (A4) (flat top) with an EO Tech Hologram Sight has caught my eye. I am now searching the I-net and several local gun shops to find the best price... I think that this is going to fill the defensive needs...but I'm still open for comments or suggestions. Respectfully submitted, ret __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** McCain/Palin 2008 NRA Life Member

October 17th, 2006, 10:10 PM	#19
floridaguy911 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 487	I Have a 30-06. That will reach out and touch someone... buy one of those too.. (cheers) __________________ N.R.A. Member G.O.A. Member Unified Sportsmen of Florida Member

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