AK-47 and SKS - Page 4

Doc Holliday · December 3rd, 2006, 11:53 AM

I have owned both. I now have Norinco MAK-90 and have fired many rounds without a single jam. Not as accurate as the AR but good enough. I owned a Colt AR about seven years ago but had to sell it when I first got married because we needed the money. It was very accurate and very well made. It would function without any jams on "namebrand" ammo but when I shot Wolf or other offbrand ammo it ceased being a semi-automatic and became a jamo-matic. I always had this in the back of my mind about the rifle and it bothered me. I will own another AR someday so I will be cool in the eyes of the gunsnobs at the range but I will defend my son,my wife, and myself with the AK.

joe/OH · December 3rd, 2006, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fragman

I would have an AK over an SKS, its just more carryable and holds more ammo in standard mags. A lot of people seem to get SKS's and then start spending more money tring to turn them into AK's.

Don't get me wrong, the SKS is good too, and I have one of those too. But the AK is the SHTF gun, no doubt.

And, Katrina basically made my mind up to go AK rather than AR. You may not be able to keep the gun pristine clean when it all goes pear shaped and the AK is more forgiving.

As for accuracy, the AK is plent accurate enough for combat ranges. Should easily hit a man sized target up to 300 meters. If I needed more accuracy than that, I would likely want a scope anyway and would be lookng to use my Remington 700 bolt action which is plenty accurate.

Combat ranges for a rifleman is 500 yards and less. At that range, an expert rifleman can consistently hit a man-size target with iron sights with a decent rifle (M1A, M1 Garand, etc.) - and no - not off of a bench. In a SHTF situation, you very well may need to reach out to these ranges. Scopes are a plus but are not necessary. They just make the job easier.

If you find an AK that will hold 4 MOA - it is definitely up to the job. The robarm VEPR builds are definitely a fine rifle but are not your typical surplus third-world AK. Most SKS's I have seen will hold 4 MOA with decent ammunition. (Yes - the SKS is on average more accurate than the AK).

Fragman · December 4th, 2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by joe/OH

Combat ranges for a rifleman is 500 yards and less. At that range, an expert rifleman can consistently hit a man-size target with iron sights with a decent rifle (M1A, M1 Garand, etc.) - and no - not off of a bench. In a SHTF situation, you very well may need to reach out to these ranges. Scopes are a plus but are not necessary. They just make the job easier.

If you find an AK that will hold 4 MOA - it is definitely up to the job. The robarm VEPR builds are definitely a fine rifle but are not your typical surplus third-world AK. Most SKS's I have seen will hold 4 MOA with decent ammunition. (Yes - the SKS is on average more accurate than the AK).

the rifle may be up to a 500 yard shot, but my eyes are not!

Wayne · December 4th, 2006, 11:54 PM

Why not the best of both worlds? I think I paid around $200 for this, but they are drying up in some places and maybe harder to find. But, what about an SKS that takes AK mags? Can't take the drums though, but all the AK mags from 10 to 50 will fit and fire:

Also known as the SKS Sporter. I like it and it fires just fine. Has decent accuracy but I have an AR-15 to make up for what this one can't do.

Wayne

JT · December 5th, 2006, 11:31 AM

While the SKS sporter is nice, I think the accuracy will be about the same as the AK. Most of the SKS accuracy advantage (which I think is slight if at all) is due to barrel length. The SKS sporter has the same 16" barrel as the AK.

And while the SKS is reliable, the AK is more reliable and durable.

Hekkenschutze · December 5th, 2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JT

While the SKS sporter is nice, I think the accuracy will be about the same as the AK. Most of the SKS accuracy advantage (which I think is slight if at all) is due to barrel length. The SKS sporter has the same 16" barrel as the AK.

And while the SKS is reliable, the AK is more reliable and durable.

well barrel lenght and a milled reciever is what put the SKS ahead of the AKM. When the AK was first tested in 1945 and put into use in 1947 it had a milled reciever too but due to costs and time the Soviets just made the AK receivers out of stamped steel metal. This made them lighter, reduced time for production and made them slightly less accurate.
In my opinion, having had fired both SKS and AKM (iron sights on both and then scopes on both) I find that the SKS is a touch better accuraccy wise.

I'd still choose the AK though because it is a carbine, it is designed with high-capacity in mind, it is oh so very reliable, simple design and I can shoot pumkins with it out to 600 meters consistantly with iron sights. (guys at the three gun shoot decided to have fun with old pumkins)

I still contend that the AKM holds better groups than the Mini-14.

Gary Brommeland · December 5th, 2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hekkenschutze

well barrel lenght and a milled reciever is what put the SKS ahead of the AKM. When the AK was first tested in 1945 and put into use in 1947 it had a milled reciever too but due to costs and time the Soviets just made the AK receivers out of stamped steel metal. This made them lighter, reduced time for production and made them slightly less accurate.
In my opinion, having had fired both SKS and AKM (iron sights on both and then scopes on both) I find that the SKS is a touch better accuraccy wise.

I'd still choose the AK though because it is a carbine, it is designed with high-capacity in mind, it is oh so very reliable, simple design and I can shoot pumkins with it out to 600 meters consistantly with iron sights. (guys at the three gun shoot decided to have fun with old pumkins)

I still contend that the AKM holds better groups than the Mini-14.

Wow, it's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown!! Gotta be about 6 feet in diameter to hit 'em a 600 meters.

JT · December 5th, 2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hekkenschutze

well barrel lenght and a milled reciever is what put the SKS ahead of the AKM.

I have fired plenty of SKS's and AK's and noticed little, if any difference in accuracy.

But most of the AK's have either had a milled receiver, or were a VEPR.

Plus, my VEPR out shoots any SKS I have ever shot. That thing is great.

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Originally Posted by Hekkenschutze

I still contend that the AKM holds better groups than the Mini-14.

I agree.

Hekkenschutze · December 5th, 2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Brommeland

Wow, it's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown!! Gotta be about 6 feet in diameter to hit 'em a 600 meters.

*sigh* where do you live? If you live close to the Ozarks I'd love to invite you to come shooting with me. If you've got a Mini-14 please bring it and I'll bring my AKM.
Oh crap, I made a mistake, I meant 600 yards...

SubNine · December 6th, 2006, 12:14 AM

Here is my Romanian GP WASR-10. It shoots better than it looks, which is what I look for in a battle rifle. I wanted something rugged, equipped with high-cap mags, and an AK47 clone seemed to fit the bill just fine. The mags to wobble a bit, but thats because it was originally designed to accept single stack 10 round mags. I love this gun so much, I wouldn't hesitate to sling it over my back in the event of a SHTF situation.

Don't mind the naked mattress, sheets were being washed at the time the pic was taken. I actually like the way my AK looks. The crappy furniture gives it sort of that "older" look.

December 3rd, 2006, 11:53 AM	#31
Doc Holliday Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,351	I have owned both. I now have Norinco MAK-90 and have fired many rounds without a single jam. Not as accurate as the AR but good enough. I owned a Colt AR about seven years ago but had to sell it when I first got married because we needed the money. It was very accurate and very well made. It would function without any jams on "namebrand" ammo but when I shot Wolf or other offbrand ammo it ceased being a semi-automatic and became a jamo-matic. I always had this in the back of my mind about the rifle and it bothered me. I will own another AR someday so I will be cool in the eyes of the gunsnobs at the range but I will defend my son,my wife, and myself with the AK. __________________ Give Doc the shotgun. They'll be less apt to get nervous if he's on the street howitzer. Why, Johnny Ringo, you look like somebody just walked over your grave. I have two guns, one for each of ya.

December 5th, 2006, 11:31 AM	#35
JT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,099	While the SKS sporter is nice, I think the accuracy will be about the same as the AK. Most of the SKS accuracy advantage (which I think is slight if at all) is due to barrel length. The SKS sporter has the same 16" barrel as the AK. And while the SKS is reliable, the AK is more reliable and durable. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my rock who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle. Psalm 144:1 Si vis pacem, para bellum

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December 4th, 2006, 11:54 PM	#34
Wayne Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 823	Why not the best of both worlds? I think I paid around $200 for this, but they are drying up in some places and maybe harder to find. But, what about an SKS that takes AK mags? Can't take the drums though, but all the AK mags from 10 to 50 will fit and fire: Also known as the SKS Sporter. I like it and it fires just fine. Has decent accuracy but I have an AR-15 to make up for what this one can't do. Wayne

December 6th, 2006, 12:14 AM	#40
SubNine Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anchorage Alaska Posts: 992	Here is my Romanian GP WASR-10. It shoots better than it looks, which is what I look for in a battle rifle. I wanted something rugged, equipped with high-cap mags, and an AK47 clone seemed to fit the bill just fine. The mags to wobble a bit, but thats because it was originally designed to accept single stack 10 round mags. I love this gun so much, I wouldn't hesitate to sling it over my back in the event of a SHTF situation. Don't mind the naked mattress, sheets were being washed at the time the pic was taken. I actually like the way my AK looks. The crappy furniture gives it sort of that "older" look.