Vepr, Arsenal, or Socom 16? - Page 2

oilman · December 15th, 2006, 05:54 PM

I have a milled Arsenal 7.62x39. Totally pleased.

Rob72 · December 15th, 2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by '75scout

I don't like the looks of the 556, thanks though and I'm sure it will be a sweet rifle. Let me ask you guys this, which caliber is best for use in the AK platform. 7.62x39mm has a little more punch and is more than accurate enough for my purposes. But the ammo selection is limited. And currently it is equal to more expensive than .223/5.56. While the 5.56 is lighter in recoil, weight, and stopping power. But ammo selection is a whole lot better and might be more accurate.

You just need to be clear on your intended usages. For "storage", 1K of Wolf Mil Classic HP provides reasonable quality for the quality. If you step up and spend the $$ for soft-points or US-made (grade) you are correct, you aren't saving money. OTOH, are you getting a "Precision carbine" (ie a Firingline receiver with a Yugo M70 or cut-down RPK barrel with a Krebs rail to free-float as much as currently possible), or a "fun"/utility/SHTF carbine? For the former, bullet selection is a maker-breaker, for the latter, a mix of JHP/FMJ offers the real world knockdown and penetration (w/in 300 yds).

You can hunt with a box of WWB soft-points, in 7.62x39. I'm not aware of any state that will let you do more than varmit shoot with .223

'75scout · December 15th, 2006, 06:57 PM

Good point. I could use the 7.62x39mm Arsenal if I ever go on a deer hunt or go hog hunting again. But the .223 seems to have a much more versatil rounds. However, I'm not sure I would ever need that versatility. I would bet a Wolf FMJ and Wolf JHP would serve all my needs. So I guess I need to think about that a little more.

dimmak · December 15th, 2006, 09:57 PM

I voted for the SOCOM 16, I have the SOCOM II and it's a great rifle...
A bit pricey, but well worth the cost to me.....
Good luck in your search...

MD_Willington · December 19th, 2006, 12:09 PM

VEPR may be coming back... FBMG has put out a few teasers on the subject...

JT · December 19th, 2006, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MD_Willington

VEPR may be coming back... FBMG has put out a few teasers on the subject...

http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=289684

'75scout · December 19th, 2006, 07:09 PM

I read a little on that topic over on ak-47.net. Who knows if they will actually import them, but if they do I might be giving them a look. That is if they are up to the same standards as the ones imported by RA. The guys that make Saiga bought the Molot factory and who knows if they will just be Saigas with "Vepr" stamped on them.

JT · December 19th, 2006, 07:22 PM

Prices sure are going up. I bought my Robarm VEPR II K (i.e. converted) with muzzle brake in 7.62x39 for somewhere around $535 including tax in July of 2005.

Atlantic is now estiamting prices for unconverted rifles as...

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Originally Posted by Atlantic Firearms

762 x 39 Vepr $599 -$629
.308 Vepr $639 -$659
.223 Vepr $600-$629

Add at least a couple hundred after conversion. They go on to estimate for the real nice features...

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Originally Posted by Atlantic Firearms

ACE skeleton side folder the Vepr converted units will probably be priced around $950 ish,

MD_Willington · December 20th, 2006, 04:06 PM

Cool.. sucks on the price though... and 20" .223 instead of 16"

'75scout · December 21st, 2006, 04:36 PM

If I find a good used or NIB Vepr II imported by Robarm then I might snatch her up. But I think I'd rather have an Arsenal over the new Veprs made under Saiga. When a lower quality company takes over a high quality company they tend to screw it up. Only time will tell.

I used to have a residential and comercial lawn service and noticed a similar occurence. Lawn Boy used to make the finest comercial 21" mowers. I mean I have never used a better mower. Then Toro bought them out and guess what, not they are total crap. The new Lawnboys are just green Toros. It's sad.

View Poll Results: Which Rifle?
Vepr K 7.62x39mm	8	10.96%
Vepr K 5.56	1	1.37%
Arsenal 7.62x39mm	13	17.81%
Arsenal 5.56	0	0%
Springfield Armory M1A Socom 16	51	69.86%
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll

December 15th, 2006, 06:57 PM	#13
'75scout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,165	Good point. I could use the 7.62x39mm Arsenal if I ever go on a deer hunt or go hog hunting again. But the .223 seems to have a much more versatil rounds. However, I'm not sure I would ever need that versatility. I would bet a Wolf FMJ and Wolf JHP would serve all my needs. So I guess I need to think about that a little more. __________________ Yeah I like Glocks, wanna fight about it!

December 15th, 2006, 09:57 PM	#14
dimmak Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: TN Posts: 1,755	I voted for the SOCOM 16, I have the SOCOM II and it's a great rifle... A bit pricey, but well worth the cost to me..... Good luck in your search... __________________ "Ray Nagin is a colossal disappointment" - NRA/ILA Executive Director Chris W. Cox. "...be water, my friend."

December 19th, 2006, 07:09 PM	#17
'75scout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,165	I read a little on that topic over on ak-47.net. Who knows if they will actually import them, but if they do I might be giving them a look. That is if they are up to the same standards as the ones imported by RA. The guys that make Saiga bought the Molot factory and who knows if they will just be Saigas with "Vepr" stamped on them. __________________ Yeah I like Glocks, wanna fight about it!

December 21st, 2006, 04:36 PM	#20
'75scout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,165	If I find a good used or NIB Vepr II imported by Robarm then I might snatch her up. But I think I'd rather have an Arsenal over the new Veprs made under Saiga. When a lower quality company takes over a high quality company they tend to screw it up. Only time will tell. I used to have a residential and comercial lawn service and noticed a similar occurence. Lawn Boy used to make the finest comercial 21" mowers. I mean I have never used a better mower. Then Toro bought them out and guess what, not they are total crap. The new Lawnboys are just green Toros. It's sad. __________________ Yeah I like Glocks, wanna fight about it!

December 15th, 2006, 05:54 PM	#11
oilman Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 222	I have a milled Arsenal 7.62x39. Totally pleased.

December 19th, 2006, 12:09 PM	#15
MD_Willington Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SE WA State Posts: 482	VEPR may be coming back... FBMG has put out a few teasers on the subject...

December 20th, 2006, 04:06 PM	#19
MD_Willington Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SE WA State Posts: 482	Cool.. sucks on the price though... and 20" .223 instead of 16"

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