Christmas Bushie

hawkeye680 · December 18th, 2006, 05:49 PM

Got this for Christmas this weekend:

Bushmaster "Homeland Defender"

Not my pics, but same rifle:

pgrass101 · December 18th, 2006, 05:53 PM

Very Nice, but you opened your present before Christmas.

Have fun shooting

retsupt99 · December 22nd, 2006, 12:34 AM

I got the same weapon three weeks ago...
Now you need to add the E.O. Tech Holographic scope...

How much 'starter' ammo did you get?

Congrats...

ret

hawkeye680 · December 22nd, 2006, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retsupt99

I got the same weapon three weeks ago...
Now you need to add the E.O. Tech Holographic scope...

How much 'starter' ammo did you get?

Congrats...

ret

Really? What's the deal with the "Homeland Defender" package? I think my dealer said it was something put together by the distributor.

And I don't know what to do about optics yet. I want to really learn the irons right now, then I don't know where to go. Scope vs EOTech vs ???

Anybody got any suggestions or pictures?

Thanks,

Mike

hawkeye680 · December 28th, 2006, 10:40 AM

Bump for opinions and experiences with sights/optics, there is a gun show in town this weekend.

Thanks

SIXTO · January 5th, 2007, 12:08 PM

Don't scope it... worthless on a battle rifle. EOtech would be my choice. If you must scope, go with an ACOG, but mount it on your carry handle so you can still use your iron sights.

The best items to compliment an AR is a good rifle case, I like bagmaster, plenty of magazines; I prefer 20 rounders, and a good sling. You can do about anything with a standard GI sling that you can do with the fancy high speed low drag gimmicks the sell at gunshows.

Oh yeah, ammo, more ammo.

Daddy Warcrimes · January 5th, 2007, 05:34 PM

Not much use for a scope one one of those. If you do, get a wide one that will give you a lot of flexibility with the relief. Stick with one power setting, preferably under 4X. I don't like the carry handle mounts because they do still interfere with the sight picture, are slow to remove, and don't re-zero when you take them off. At least a flip up back up iron sight is a good idea when using a scope.

I've not used the ACOG, but I've seen the price tag. For what I've seen those listed for you could instead get the ECLAN (quite possibly the ugliest optic in existance). I like them. Illuminated reticle with range markings, something like 3.25X and the glass is huge.

Another interesting optic is the Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T. I've not used one but the idea of a variable 1-3X with illuminated reticle appeals to me.

For a reflex sight, get one that doesn't interfere with the iron sights. If you want to loose the carry hand (they're pretty much worthless anyway) you can get just the rear sight to save space on the rail.

I've fired an M-16 with several different aiming configurations.
Standard iron sights: Only downside I found was it's much harder to shoot with the non-dominant side. I shoot 39/40 right handed, 24/40 left. Front sight post will eventually require blackening with a lighter or other method.
Reflex sight: When mounted forward of the carry handle, and with both eyes open (like the manual says I'm supposed to use it) I see 2 reticles. When mounted on the upper receiver it worked fine. I shot 38/40 right hand, 34/40 left. Big advantage of the reflex sight, you can shoot easily with the non-dominant eye.
Downsides: the batteries ran dead, parts fell off, the honeycomb anti-reflection insert (uncommon outside of the military) looks pretty odd at 1X (3X and above you can't even see it)
4X Tapco scope (paid about $30): not much help on the range. Tighter shot group but still only 39/40 targets. During force on force training, it helped with target identification.

srfl · January 5th, 2007, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIXTO

Don't scope it... worthless on a battle rifle. (SNIP)

The majority of the USA and USMC personnel (with combat experience) in my current military command would completely disagree with you.

SIXTO · January 6th, 2007, 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srfl

The majority of the USA and USMC personnel (with combat experience) in my current military command would completely disagree with you.

OK?! and what scope do they use? and how is it set up? What is the primary sight system?

Military use also use their rifles in a different manner than a civilian. 100 yd+ are common, where anything past that is very rare in the civilian arena. If you are in a gun fight at those ranges as a civilian, you most likely will have some serious explaining to do.

AutoFan · January 6th, 2007, 03:13 AM

A friend has the Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T mounted on his AR. Very cool, easy to use, more flexible than a red dot or scope alone.

December 22nd, 2006, 12:34 AM	#3
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 14,965	Very Nice... I got the same weapon three weeks ago... Now you need to add the E.O. Tech Holographic scope... How much 'starter' ammo did you get? Congrats... ret __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

December 28th, 2006, 10:40 AM	#5
hawkeye680 Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 77	Bump for opinions and experiences with sights/optics, there is a gun show in town this weekend. Thanks Last edited by hawkeye680; January 5th, 2007 at 12:01 PM.

January 5th, 2007, 05:34 PM	#7
Daddy Warcrimes Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 473	Not much use for a scope one one of those. If you do, get a wide one that will give you a lot of flexibility with the relief. Stick with one power setting, preferably under 4X. I don't like the carry handle mounts because they do still interfere with the sight picture, are slow to remove, and don't re-zero when you take them off. At least a flip up back up iron sight is a good idea when using a scope. I've not used the ACOG, but I've seen the price tag. For what I've seen those listed for you could instead get the ECLAN (quite possibly the ugliest optic in existance). I like them. Illuminated reticle with range markings, something like 3.25X and the glass is huge. Another interesting optic is the Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T. I've not used one but the idea of a variable 1-3X with illuminated reticle appeals to me. For a reflex sight, get one that doesn't interfere with the iron sights. If you want to loose the carry hand (they're pretty much worthless anyway) you can get just the rear sight to save space on the rail. I've fired an M-16 with several different aiming configurations. Standard iron sights: Only downside I found was it's much harder to shoot with the non-dominant side. I shoot 39/40 right handed, 24/40 left. Front sight post will eventually require blackening with a lighter or other method. Reflex sight: When mounted forward of the carry handle, and with both eyes open (like the manual says I'm supposed to use it) I see 2 reticles. When mounted on the upper receiver it worked fine. I shot 38/40 right hand, 34/40 left. Big advantage of the reflex sight, you can shoot easily with the non-dominant eye. Downsides: the batteries ran dead, parts fell off, the honeycomb anti-reflection insert (uncommon outside of the military) looks pretty odd at 1X (3X and above you can't even see it) 4X Tapco scope (paid about $30): not much help on the range. Tighter shot group but still only 39/40 targets. During force on force training, it helped with target identification. __________________ "and suddenly I can not hold back my sword hand's anger" DW blog

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December 18th, 2006, 05:53 PM	#2
pgrass101 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 6,105	Very Nice, but you opened your present before Christmas. Have fun shooting

January 5th, 2007, 12:08 PM	#6
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 10,087	Don't scope it... worthless on a battle rifle. EOtech would be my choice. If you must scope, go with an ACOG, but mount it on your carry handle so you can still use your iron sights. The best items to compliment an AR is a good rifle case, I like bagmaster, plenty of magazines; I prefer 20 rounders, and a good sling. You can do about anything with a standard GI sling that you can do with the fancy high speed low drag gimmicks the sell at gunshows. Oh yeah, ammo, more ammo.

January 6th, 2007, 03:13 AM	#10
AutoFan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Sunshine State Posts: 945	A friend has the Leupold Mark 4 CQ/T mounted on his AR. Very cool, easy to use, more flexible than a red dot or scope alone.