Tros

I voted AR. Newer ones are quite reliable, plus I am a firm believer of putting distance between myself and the target.

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Doc Holliday

Can I use the AR to shoot the guy with an AK, then take his and carry both?

I chose the AK because mine has never jammed....but a Colt that I had about 8 years ago was finicky when it came to cheap ammo.

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Optimistic Paranoid

Don't mean to hijack this thread, but I REALLY need to talk to you about your 2X Aimpoint!

I treated myself to a Springfield SOCOM for Christmas.

I have some experience with forward mounting a Burris Scout Scope on a Mini-14 and it was very positive.

Aimpoint is the only company offering a magnifying Red Dot. It seems to me that a 2X Red Dot forward mounted ala a Scout Scope would, theoretically, give you the best of both worlds - the speed of a red dot for CQB plus the greater long range accuracy of a 2X Scope.

Problem is, I didn't know anyone who has one or who could report on how the theory holds up in the real world. Until now.

So how's it been working out for you?

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lowflyer

AR for me.

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SIXTO

OPFOR stole my answer and the logic behind it. I do need to add that it seems to me that almost every battle is won by the guys carrying the M-16/AR.
I'll take the AR anyday.

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downrange

i chose the AR because my only experiences with the two were m-4's/m-16/AR-15's and confiscated AK-47's and 1 SKS. the 7.62 might be able to shoot through the worst conditions but are crude overall (i hate the cocking lever) and i think that's what makes them work. take care of your 5.56 and you can mow them all down... accurately.

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Dakotaranger

Give me a Tavor and a AK if I had to fight. Then I'll take a .45 as a sidearm.

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SammyIamToday

I'd go with the AK. Most battle distances (personal experience) the accuracy issue wasn't that big of a deal. I'd rather have the rifle that definitely goes bang everytime and leaves a bigger hole.

Hehe, that doesn't have anything to do with training, fire support, or communications though.

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SIXTO

Perhaps...


I do notice an interesting pattern here though. Most of us who have been in combat would choose the AR's. Those who are speculating choose the AK. I'm not saying thats a bad choice, just interesting.

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OPFOR

Optimistic Paranoid, here are a few other options to think about:

The Trijicon 2.5x ACOG. Not quite as easy to pick up quickly as a true "red dot," but excellent optics - durable, self-illuminating, small, light, good clarity and light gathering for the size, et cetera. A definite contender.

The Leupold Mk 4 CQ/T. This is more of a true "red dot" and gives from 0 to 3x magnification. Lens quality is excellent, as we've come to expect from Leupold. This is bigger and heavier than the 2.5x ACOG, but is more versatile. I did see one break (though it was just a chip out of the rear lens, and the optic was still functional) when the M14 it was attached to fell out of a moving HMMWV. I doubt many other optics would have fared any better, though, and most would have fared much worse.

The new Elcan Specter DR (http://www.elcan.com/ELCAN_Business_.../SpecterDR.php). I haven't used this personnaly, but I have used other Elcan's and found them to be excellent (if heavy) optics. This looks like an amazing system, if you've got the cash for it.

All the normal disclaimers apply, but these are worth a look IMO.

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