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Old February 28th, 2007, 10:58 PM   #21
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What's the "draw" of such rifles? Suitability to purpose.

My take ...

Handgun out to 35yds or so, perfect for concealable and mobile protection detail. Shotty out to 25yds, perfect for defending a house/structure, particularly in an ensconced position. A quick, nimble rifle out to 75-100yds, for when you can't know the required distance (as in a riot/flood/SHTF type situation. And a bolt-action long rifle for larger, tougher game at a distance, though that comes at the expense of close-in suitability. Basically, it comes down to: suitability to purpose, as driven by the features and ergonomics.
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great defensive weapon, running through a mag is fun, 5.56 Nato is a good coyote round, the old saying of using your pistol to get back to a rifle is true, a semi-auto rifle is quicker than a bolt action rifle-shoot it's faster than a lever action, and you have more ammo at hand and is easier to reload, and because it's my right as an American. I'm sure there are other reasons, but if I were to own one these would be the reasons I would give.
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The appeal for me is purely spiteful.
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The appeal for me is purely spiteful.
This is another great reason
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I bought my AK because it filled a desire I had to own one from the first time I saw one in 1965. I waited 40+ years to get it because there were other rifles I needed to get first. My first priority was to replace all the firearms I had lost, had stolen or gave away in the preceding years. The only reason I bought the AK was to have it, I will wait till someone gives me an AR.
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I bought an SKS years ago because it was what I could afford and I wanted something that if it got messed up I wouldn't care much. It looked more like a "regular rifle" then than it does now.

I bought a M1 Garand that looks a lot like a "regular rifle" because they are great rifles, a part of our history and I loved the idea of our government mailing me a battle rifle through the mail.

I got an AR-15 because the trigger on the SKS sucked, the M1 was not fun to shoot for extended periods, and because someone told me I couldn't make a semi-auto as accurate as a bolt action (he was wrong). It is my favorite center fire rifle to shoot (my wood stocked, tube fed .22 is my overall favorite) as it is the most accurate, cheap to feed, reliable and has low recoil. What more could I want?

What do all 4 of these rifles have in common? Aside from whether the stock is plastic or wood, and how many rounds between reloading, they are all semi-automatic rifles.
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Old March 1st, 2007, 11:18 AM   #27
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The appeal for me is purely spiteful.
Well, that too.
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Yup, my fault on the "rifle" language use. My idea of a "regular rifle" is the old bolt action hunting rifle or something like that...
As one of the uninitiated, when i think of AK47s and AR15s, I think of rambo shooting endless rounds from the hip with no aiming. Obviously I know thats not what you guys do (though im sure you do sometimes, as this looks very fun).
The exact same question is asked by folks why gunners buy/desire 'high capacity' semi-automatics or 'high powered' .357 Magnum, .10mm, or even .45 ACP as opposed to revolvers chambered in .38.
When fact is one can buy a revolver or SA to swallow any one of the above chamberings and that just because old is existant and works fine doesn't make newer, cooler, more efficient, and overall better to be unnecessary.

In fact why use a bolt action rifle when for hunting and even home defense a muzzle loaded black powder rifle obviously as based on historical and current hunter results works just fine?

Anti-gunners ask this question often, not to say you are an anti, and if life were as they think it should be then we'd all be driving new 40s and 50s style & deign carburated cars with extra passenger rumble seats and a choke for cold starts. Our airports would be filled with DC-10s and the Airforce using P51 Mustangs. Our wives would be getting us Pabst Blue Ribbon from the Kelvinator during football games where folks run around wearing thin leather 'helmets', and our dogs would all be large German shepards, yellow Labs, or Collies.
Funny thing though is that the AK is a 50 yr.old design older than some 'regular' deisgn rifles and the AR is slightly older than I am, and yet they both remian relatively modern and relevant.

I don't yet own any rifle but will soon (before a ban kicks in) and it likely will be an AR variant, but only because a 40w phased plasma rifle hasn't yet made it to the MA firearms approval list. :p

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In fact why use a bolt action rifle when for hunting and even home defense a muzzle loaded black powder rifle obviously as based on historical and current hunter results works just fine?
Suitability to task. Try that against a coyote and miss, you're fine. Try that against a bear and miss, then that's where the improved feeding and reduced cycle times (of bolt-A, semi-autos, full-autos) and other ergonomic realities come home. Quickly, in that scenario. Same with two-legged predators. The same basic realities exist when comparing any competing features. Suitability to task.
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Suitability to task. Try that against a coyote and miss, you're fine. Try that against a bear and miss, then that's where the improved feeding and reduced cycle times (of bolt-A, semi-autos, full-autos) and other ergonomic realities come home. Quickly, in that scenario. Same with two-legged predators. The same basic realities exist when comparing any competing features. Suitability to task.
That's referred to as the "Darwin Marksmanship Program". If ya'ain't good enough to hit, ya better not fire! Second place is lunch!
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