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Nice rifle. Love to see one up close.
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Many many designs are going to the bull pup style. A bull pup is better and quicker at close quarters(urban environments). A long gun still has better stability for long range.
FN P90 Tavor Chinese type-95 F 2000 MODU Steyr aug Did I miss any? I have a Arisoft P90 (yea its a toy, couldn't get the real thing) and it Is very quick at changing targets. A longer Stace is better for long range. How many bull pup sniper rifles are there? P.S. IMHO
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Well, it seems to me that the bullpup design could actually create a sniper rifle with a barrel that is darn near the length of the entire rifle. Even if only 20" of barrel is sticking out there could be 10"-18" internal giving a 38" barrel.
I would figure that there is a break-even point where you can have too much barrel for a given round. Just musing on a topic that I know very little about. Please take it as such. :) Ron
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I've liked the idea of a bullpup but I have never shot one. It's purely the "cool" factor until I try one out. I would like to try the new Kel-Tec Bullpup in .308
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There are a few sniper rifles like this. The best known is probably the Walther WA2000. Most bullpup sniper rifles are large caliber anti-material rifles like the Barrett M90 & M95, the Steyr IWS 2000. This is probably because a very long barrel is necessary to get maximum performance from a large caliber cartridge, and putting it in the bullpup package helps keep the overall length of the weapon manageable (not that any AMR is what you would call, 'handy').
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.308 vs 5.56
I'm curious as to the pros and cons on .308 vs. 5.56, why would I want one over the other? (pardon my ignorance, the only one I have experience with is the M-16A2 while I was in the Corps 20 yrs ago and a pre ban AR-15 in recent years.) I want to purchase a DPMS and I have been trying to get as much info on this subject as possible.
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Well I would start a new thread or do a search. This is kind of like the 9mm vs 45 debate in handguns. 5.56/223 has less recoil and more ammo capacity, but also has less range and less powerful. The 7.62/308 is a heavier round that is more lethal and has greater range, but also comes with more recoil and generally the weapons that use 308 are heavier.
I have no miliatry experience and I tend to teeter between the two, as to which one I would prefer to use is battle or SHTF senario. However I will be entering a police academy and I will probable carry an AR-15 in 223/5.56 in my patrol car. I think the 223 is better for urban environments and has less possibility for over penetration.
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Does anyone know if the Tavor would be offered in a "civilian" semi auto version?? If some are just being imported now....my assumption is they are class III only.
I would be extremely interested if there was a semi auto version available here. Wayne |
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