Tavor Rifle

dr_cmg · March 3rd, 2007, 05:04 PM

QKShooter posted a thread about the Galil. While I like the Galil, I like the Tavor even more.

HotGuns · March 3rd, 2007, 06:37 PM

Thanks for the link dr...

Im not a big fan of bullpup designs. They are funtional,I just think that they are ugly.

The Galil on the other hand, just looks good. Ive always wanted one.

Go Glock · March 3rd, 2007, 06:41 PM

That host becomes more over dramitic with each episode.

OPFOR · March 3rd, 2007, 06:53 PM

Looks like a handy little rifle, though I’ve never been a big fan of bullpups…A few things in the clip bothered me, however:

They called the M16 a “machine gun.” Technically, I suppose, that M16s capable of full-auto fire are “machine guns,” but the military typically reserves that nomenclature for weapons designed to fire full-auto as their primary function.

They called the M16 a “long” rifle (while showing pictures of mainly M4s). The M4, while admittedly longer than the Tavor, is MUCH shorter than most other assault/battle rifles.

They said the Tavor was “as accurate as a sniper rifle.” The guy hitting a “head and shoulders” steel plate at 300m doesn’t mean the weapon is capable of M24/M40/SR25 accuracy, especially beyond 300m. If it is that accurate, I would worry about the tolerances being tighter than they should for optimum reliability.

They said that, because the optics were permanently attached, that soldiers could “fire immediately, without having to waste valuable time lining it up.” What are they saying, that a red-dot that is mounted on a rail rather than being permanently attached is somehow slower to acquire? That’s just silly. And, of course, now you have no options as far as optics go, which is a downside in my opinion (though I did notice a small ACOG mounted behind the integral optic during one of the demonstrations). I think the optics power being attached to the safety is interesting, and has some merit. However, there are many times in combat when you want to have your weapon (and your sights) covering someone without disengaging your safety. Other than that, it’s an interesting concept.

They equated a high cyclic rate of fire to being “quick” with the weapon, somehow indicating that the ability to shoot many bullets quickly translated into the ability to shoot quickly - as in shoot first - and as we all know these two things are completely unrelated.

Other observations – the weapon seems “tall,” especially towards the rear. The optics are mounted pretty high. The charging handle is waaay out by the muzzle, which could be dangerous if someone flags their hand(s) while trying to manipulate the handle.

Of course, I’m speculating on much of this, having never handled the weapon… I hope it works out well for the IDF, and fills the roles that they want it to fill successfully.

HotGuns · March 3rd, 2007, 09:02 PM

One thing about the IDF, Im sure that they'll get to try it in actual conditons fairly quick..

enigmaone · March 3rd, 2007, 10:42 PM

I would LOVE to own a Tavor. If I could Afford it.

Dakotaranger · March 4th, 2007, 12:50 AM

It would make a great pick up gun and you could conceal it fairly easy under a duster or a man bag if you needed to. There's room in my safe for one.

While I like "Future Weapon's" that guy is annoying. I'd rather listen to R. Lee Ermy any day.

Colin · March 4th, 2007, 04:14 AM

A friend of mine is importing a few, hope to get to handle one before he sends it off to the customer.

dr_cmg · March 4th, 2007, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colin

A friend of mine is importing a few, hope to get to handle one before he sends it off to the customer.

Colin, do you have any idea what the price on one is? Curiosity only, I am sure I can't afford one.

Jamie Young · March 4th, 2007, 09:16 PM

I'll see how well these do in the next couple years of service.

Right now, the only 5.56 rifle that I'm impressed with is the G36.

March 3rd, 2007, 05:04 PM	#1
dr_cmg Lead Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,897	Tavor Rifle QKShooter posted a thread about the Galil. While I like the Galil, I like the Tavor even more. __________________ George Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein

March 3rd, 2007, 06:37 PM	#2
HotGuns Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,883	Thanks for the link dr... Im not a big fan of bullpup designs. They are funtional,I just think that they are ugly. The Galil on the other hand, just looks good. Ive always wanted one. __________________ AR. CHL Instr. If you are a socialist loving,left wing, limp wristed,girly man that is afraid to hear the truth and you whine about being "offended" because you arent smart enough to handle the truth, go find someone else to talk to...

March 3rd, 2007, 06:53 PM	#4
OPFOR VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Baghdad Posts: 2,532	Looks like a handy little rifle, though I’ve never been a big fan of bullpups…A few things in the clip bothered me, however: They called the M16 a “machine gun.” Technically, I suppose, that M16s capable of full-auto fire are “machine guns,” but the military typically reserves that nomenclature for weapons designed to fire full-auto as their primary function. They called the M16 a “long” rifle (while showing pictures of mainly M4s). The M4, while admittedly longer than the Tavor, is MUCH shorter than most other assault/battle rifles. They said the Tavor was “as accurate as a sniper rifle.” The guy hitting a “head and shoulders” steel plate at 300m doesn’t mean the weapon is capable of M24/M40/SR25 accuracy, especially beyond 300m. If it is that accurate, I would worry about the tolerances being tighter than they should for optimum reliability. They said that, because the optics were permanently attached, that soldiers could “fire immediately, without having to waste valuable time lining it up.” What are they saying, that a red-dot that is mounted on a rail rather than being permanently attached is somehow slower to acquire? That’s just silly. And, of course, now you have no options as far as optics go, which is a downside in my opinion (though I did notice a small ACOG mounted behind the integral optic during one of the demonstrations). I think the optics power being attached to the safety is interesting, and has some merit. However, there are many times in combat when you want to have your weapon (and your sights) covering someone without disengaging your safety. Other than that, it’s an interesting concept. They equated a high cyclic rate of fire to being “quick” with the weapon, somehow indicating that the ability to shoot many bullets quickly translated into the ability to shoot quickly - as in shoot first - and as we all know these two things are completely unrelated. Other observations – the weapon seems “tall,” especially towards the rear. The optics are mounted pretty high. The charging handle is waaay out by the muzzle, which could be dangerous if someone flags their hand(s) while trying to manipulate the handle. Of course, I’m speculating on much of this, having never handled the weapon… I hope it works out well for the IDF, and fills the roles that they want it to fill successfully. __________________ "It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way."

March 3rd, 2007, 09:02 PM	#5
HotGuns Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,883	One thing about the IDF, Im sure that they'll get to try it in actual conditons fairly quick.. __________________ AR. CHL Instr. If you are a socialist loving,left wing, limp wristed,girly man that is afraid to hear the truth and you whine about being "offended" because you arent smart enough to handle the truth, go find someone else to talk to...

March 3rd, 2007, 10:42 PM	#6
enigmaone Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: englewood fl Posts: 956	I would LOVE to own a Tavor. If I could Afford it. __________________ quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

March 3rd, 2007, 06:41 PM	#3
Go Glock Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NM Posts: 241	That host becomes more over dramitic with each episode.

March 4th, 2007, 12:50 AM	#7
Dakotaranger Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,836	It would make a great pick up gun and you could conceal it fairly easy under a duster or a man bag if you needed to. There's room in my safe for one. While I like "Future Weapon's" that guy is annoying. I'd rather listen to R. Lee Ermy any day. __________________ "[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." Zacharia Johnson (speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention,25 June 1778)"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." ~Alexander Hamilton

March 4th, 2007, 04:14 AM	#8
Colin Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,421	A friend of mine is importing a few, hope to get to handle one before he sends it off to the customer.

March 4th, 2007, 09:16 PM	#10
Jamie Young Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Posts: 469	I'll see how well these do in the next couple years of service. Right now, the only 5.56 rifle that I'm impressed with is the G36. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!! Free TRP.org stickers RogueElite.net

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode