Mosin-Nagent 91/30 problem w/loading

xsquidgator · March 11th, 2007, 08:28 PM

I'm not new to bolt milsurp rifles, but my first 91/30 is kicking my butt... Embarassed

I am having all sorts of trouble loading rounds into the rifle. My Mauser K98 is very straightforward, no problems loading the rounds in one at a time into the magazine. Isn't the Mosin supposed to work the same way?

The problem I'm having with my Mosin is that (to my eye) the ejector (on the left inside of the receiver) is sort of spring-loaded and pushes out towards the middle of the rifle. This means that when I try to push straight down on a new cartridge (positioned forward and backwards with the cartridge rim lined up with the receiver stripper clip slot), the side of the cartridge hits the ejector, and there's not enough room to allow the cartridge to pass into the magazine.

Here's a picture:

The ejector seems too big to allow cartridges to go in! I got this round into the magazine by placing it almost into the chamber, then sliding it backwards into the magazine. I'm sure that can't be the way it's supposed to work. The way it is now, there's no way stripper clips could be used to get rounds into the magazine from above.
I'm wondering if the part of the ejector with the white arrow, where the rimmed base of the cartridge goes, needs to be dremmeled out a little bit? It's the base and rim of the cartridge, the widest part of it, that's getting stuck.

I should clarify... the interrupter/ejector shown in the picture above DOES move under spring pressure, but even if I push it in with a screwdriver, it does not move to the side enough to allow a cartridge to be pushed into the magazine from above. I don't know what "normal" ejector and ejector springs look like, but everything looked ok to my untrained eye when I took it all apart and cleaned it earlier today.
Can those of you with Mosins look at this and tell me if this picture is what your rifle looks like?

P95Carry · March 11th, 2007, 09:24 PM

I haven't time to take a pic but yes - mine is same.

I usually fired mine single shot so not used mag much.

I did just try tho and ........ seems a need to get rim just beyond halfway point where wider and feed back, depressing bullet as you go, and then push in. Once down it stays down until the ejector is pushed in, which allows round to pop up.

Not much help probably - as I said - never loaded the mag at all.

AKsrule · March 11th, 2007, 09:52 PM

I have an M38.

I don't have any stripper clips handy to take a pic of , but if you

were to insert a clip in your rifle , you would see that the clip itself
will push aside the offending part.

CopperKnight · March 11th, 2007, 09:59 PM

Here's a pic of mine, looks the same. There is a click as the piece is pushed aside while loading a round. You probably just have a really stiff spring.

HotGuns · March 11th, 2007, 10:01 PM

I've got 3...2 M44's and a 91/30.

All of them can be a bit tricky when single loading. With the stripper clips that I use it is no problem.

The problem with the ejector is that it is spring loaded, but, it only moves if pushed in...and it wont move if pushed down. Basically, you are trying to push down on it when you load a cartridge into it...but you already figured that out I think.

The trick is to not load the first one straight down. Kindof slide it in from the front a bit to allow the ejector to move out of the way. Once you do this a few times, you'll do it without even thinking about it. Once the first one is in, the rest are easy.

xsquidgator · March 11th, 2007, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKsrule

I have an M38.

I don't have any stripper clips handy to take a pic of , but if you

were to insert a clip in your rifle , you would see that the clip itself
will push aside the offending part.

Hmmm. I have some brass strippers I bought at the same time I bought the rifle (from Classic Arms) but the strippers are replicas made recently. They're supposed to be identical but maybe they're not identical enough to push the ejector to the side.

xsquidgator · March 11th, 2007, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HotGuns

I've got 3...2 M44's and a 91/30.

All of them can be a bit tricky when single loading. With the stripper clips that I use it is no problem.

The problem with the ejector is that it is spring loaded, but, it only moves if pushed in...and it wont move if pushed down. Basically, you are trying to push down on it when you load a cartridge into it...but you already figured that out I think.

The trick is to not load the first one straight down. Kindof slide it in from the front a bit to allow the ejector to move out of the way. Once you do this a few times, you'll do it without even thinking about it. Once the first one is in, the rest are easy.

Ah, thank you sir! I slid the first one in backwards (like I had to do to take the picture) and then forced the other ones in. It wasn't easy, though. Why in the world is the loading so damn difficult? I wouldn't want to try this with a squad of Germans bearing down on me! My Mauser K98 is much much easier to load. Hmmm. But my K98 wasn't any $69 either!

Hopefully this will get easier as I get used to it, and maybe some "breaking in" will occur. I am relieved to see that my rifle isn't broken!

xsquidgator · March 11th, 2007, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CopperKnight

Here's a pic of mine, looks the same. There is a click as the piece is pushed aside while loading a round. You probably just have a really stiff spring.

Thanks for taking the time to post a pic. I think you are correct about me having a STIFF spring. After trying some other suggestions, I was able to eventually get 5 rounds loaded in via the top. That's more success than I've had since getting this thing 2 weeks ago.

HotGuns · March 11th, 2007, 10:15 PM

Another thing...

It is entirely possibe that you have cosmoline in behind your extractor and that could make for some stiff loading. It wouldnt hurt to get some sort of solvent type spray and spray it in there and then relubricate everything. Cosmoline on milsurps can really gunk things up.

Dkny · March 11th, 2007, 10:19 PM

I had one and shot probubly700 rounds or so through it before i sold it. Mine would jam quite often, and so badly that i would have to pry rounds out with a screw driver. So you are not alone.

March 11th, 2007, 08:28 PM	#1
xsquidgator Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 268	Mosin-Nagent 91/30 problem w/loading I'm not new to bolt milsurp rifles, but my first 91/30 is kicking my butt... Embarassed I am having all sorts of trouble loading rounds into the rifle. My Mauser K98 is very straightforward, no problems loading the rounds in one at a time into the magazine. Isn't the Mosin supposed to work the same way? The problem I'm having with my Mosin is that (to my eye) the ejector (on the left inside of the receiver) is sort of spring-loaded and pushes out towards the middle of the rifle. This means that when I try to push straight down on a new cartridge (positioned forward and backwards with the cartridge rim lined up with the receiver stripper clip slot), the side of the cartridge hits the ejector, and there's not enough room to allow the cartridge to pass into the magazine. Here's a picture: The ejector seems too big to allow cartridges to go in! I got this round into the magazine by placing it almost into the chamber, then sliding it backwards into the magazine. I'm sure that can't be the way it's supposed to work. The way it is now, there's no way stripper clips could be used to get rounds into the magazine from above. I'm wondering if the part of the ejector with the white arrow, where the rimmed base of the cartridge goes, needs to be dremmeled out a little bit? It's the base and rim of the cartridge, the widest part of it, that's getting stuck. I should clarify... the interrupter/ejector shown in the picture above DOES move under spring pressure, but even if I push it in with a screwdriver, it does not move to the side enough to allow a cartridge to be pushed into the magazine from above. I don't know what "normal" ejector and ejector springs look like, but everything looked ok to my untrained eye when I took it all apart and cleaned it earlier today. Can those of you with Mosins look at this and tell me if this picture is what your rifle looks like?

March 11th, 2007, 09:24 PM	#2
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,407	I haven't time to take a pic but yes - mine is same. I usually fired mine single shot so not used mag much. I did just try tho and ........ seems a need to get rim just beyond halfway point where wider and feed back, depressing bullet as you go, and then push in. Once down it stays down until the ejector is pushed in, which allows round to pop up. Not much help probably - as I said - never loaded the mag at all. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

March 11th, 2007, 09:52 PM	#3
AKsrule Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 695	I have an M38. I don't have any stripper clips handy to take a pic of , but if you were to insert a clip in your rifle , you would see that the clip itself will push aside the offending part. __________________ ------- -SIG , it's What's for Dinner- know your rights! http://www.handgunlaw.us "If I walk in the woods, I feel much more comfortable carrying a gun. What if you meet a bear in the woods that's going to attack you? You shoot it." {Bernhard Goetz}

March 11th, 2007, 10:01 PM	#5
HotGuns Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,883	I've got 3...2 M44's and a 91/30. All of them can be a bit tricky when single loading. With the stripper clips that I use it is no problem. The problem with the ejector is that it is spring loaded, but, it only moves if pushed in...and it wont move if pushed down. Basically, you are trying to push down on it when you load a cartridge into it...but you already figured that out I think. The trick is to not load the first one straight down. Kindof slide it in from the front a bit to allow the ejector to move out of the way. Once you do this a few times, you'll do it without even thinking about it. Once the first one is in, the rest are easy. __________________ AR. CHL Instr. If you are a socialist loving,left wing, limp wristed,girly man that is afraid to hear the truth and you whine about being "offended" because you arent smart enough to handle the truth, go find someone else to talk to...

March 11th, 2007, 10:15 PM	#9
HotGuns Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,883	Another thing... It is entirely possibe that you have cosmoline in behind your extractor and that could make for some stiff loading. It wouldnt hurt to get some sort of solvent type spray and spray it in there and then relubricate everything. Cosmoline on milsurps can really gunk things up. __________________ AR. CHL Instr. If you are a socialist loving,left wing, limp wristed,girly man that is afraid to hear the truth and you whine about being "offended" because you arent smart enough to handle the truth, go find someone else to talk to...

March 11th, 2007, 10:19 PM	#10
Dkny Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ny Posts: 41	I had one and shot probubly700 rounds or so through it before i sold it. Mine would jam quite often, and so badly that i would have to pry rounds out with a screw driver. So you are not alone.

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