Cheap .308 setup = Saiga .308 6x42 POSP? - Page 2

JT · March 21st, 2007, 09:09 PM

What I like about the Soviet mounting system is I have a Red Dot and a scope for my VEPR that I can change back and forth between, without loosing my zero.

These are what I have...

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=78

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=468

gregarat · March 21st, 2007, 09:09 PM

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You may get a U.S. scope to work well, but in my experience you'll save yourself a lot of time and frustration by going with a Russian scope.

Ill do that I get a commie rifle. Heck... for $200 and under, these scopes seem to have alot of neat options like rangefinder, illumination.

Redneck Repairs · March 21st, 2007, 09:16 PM

On the end of quality optics the " commie " socpe will usualy deliver less for every dollar ya spend , howeaver it will deliver a wideer range of adjustments . so under 600 to 1k cheap glass is good , commie or not , there is no need for top optics at under 600 yards now . Parden me while i put my flame suit on but there it is lol .

gregarat · March 21st, 2007, 09:38 PM

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What I like about the Soviet mounting system is I have a Red Dot and a scope for my VEPR that I can change back and forth between, without loosing my zero.

That is most impressive! you can use the best of both worlds.

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On the end of quality optics the " commie " socpe will usualy deliver less for every dollar ya spend , howeaver it will deliver a wideer range of adjustments . so under 600 to 1k cheap glass is good , commie or not , there is no need for top optics at under 600 yards now . Parden me while i put my flame suit on but there it is lol .

No flames from me, I agree. Besides 600y is a bit of a streach for this rifle, even 400y. All I care for is a decent picture, and a zero that will hold. The bells & whistles are a neat little bonus.

JT · March 21st, 2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Redneck Repairs

On the end of quality optics the " commie " socpe will usualy deliver less for every dollar ya spend , howeaver it will deliver a wideer range of adjustments .

I don't agree with the "deliver less for every dollar" part. There's no denying that a high dollar U.S. scope is better than the Russian made ones. But if we're talking under $200, I think you're going to get more value from a POSP or a PSO, than a U.S. made scope. There’s a big difference between the Russian PSOP and PSO scopes (which are current military issue) and the stuff the Chinese made for the U.S. market.

And for Red Dot's, the Russian Kobra is very good quality for the money.

gregarat · March 21st, 2007, 11:57 PM

I just remembered that they made good night and thermal vision. So why would their other optics lag....?

Unless the Comunist factory worker had to make quota!!

Seriously, Im considering geting a Saiga or VEPR, with the POSP and soviet red dot. In the town Im moving to, everyone has a AK or SKS.

JT · March 22nd, 2007, 09:52 AM

Here's what Kalinka Optics has to say about Russian quality...

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Originally Posted by Kalinka

Kalinka Optics Warehouse® specializes in Soviet, Russian and East European military optics. All the optics we carry are of impeccable quality while selling at a serious discount to comparable Western-produced models. Throughout its existence, the USSR was a leader in military optics. After the Soviet Army entered Germany in WWII, they made a concerted effort to occupy as many industrial factories as possible. They occupied the majority of the German optical plants, including the famous Carl Zeiss-Jena factory. They then took the technology and tooling back to Russia, added their own refinements and began to build similar but even more advanced optics. For many years these optics, particularly night vision devices were strictly for military issue. They provide amazing quality at a fraction of the cost.

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/whykalinka.aspx

Of course some of this could be labeled as simply advertising spin, but there is no question that the Germans had great optics and that the Soviets hauled away much of the German manufacturing technology and machinery.

Gun Loving Liveral · March 27th, 2007, 12:40 AM

My main hobby is amateur astronomy, and I have had opportunity to compare many Russian-made binoculars and telescopes. While the highest quality optics in the world are German, Japanese or USA made the Russian optics industry has improved a LOT in the past 5-6 years or so and the general quality is now almost even with USA quality. Their prices are indeed better. Interestingly, most of the problems I have seen are mechanical rather than optical (focus knob sticks or such). The great majority of the glass I have looked through is good quality and worth the money.
Chinese optics are improving rapidly. The Chinese problem is more of quality control. One set of binoculars is a real bargain for the money but the next pair are only good for peperweights.
I am making a guess that the same skills and quality control for making good binoculars and telescopes applies to rifle scopes.

cmidkiff · March 27th, 2007, 10:53 AM

Whatever you spend on a .308, you can count on spending more on ammo!

I picked up a PTR91 a few weeks ago, let me tell you... feeding this thing is going to be a real problem :)

SammyIamToday · March 27th, 2007, 12:50 PM

My Saiga is in 7.62 x 39, but it shoots rather well. Better than a lot of AK's I've fired. The trigger is kinda long and strange, but it can be replaced.

I'd like to get one in .308 at some point, but not very high on my list.

Great rifle for the money though, I'd buy another.

March 21st, 2007, 09:09 PM	#11
JT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 1,099	What I like about the Soviet mounting system is I have a Red Dot and a scope for my VEPR that I can change back and forth between, without loosing my zero. These are what I have... http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=78 http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=468 __________________ Blessed be the Lord my rock who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle. Psalm 144:1 Si vis pacem, para bellum

March 21st, 2007, 11:57 PM	#16
gregarat Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central NYS Posts: 856	I just remembered that they made good night and thermal vision. So why would their other optics lag....? Unless the Comunist factory worker had to make quota!! Seriously, Im considering geting a Saiga or VEPR, with the POSP and soviet red dot. In the town Im moving to, everyone has a AK or SKS. __________________ “Little beat big when little smart. First with the head, then with the heart.” Geel piet. From the movie “The Power of one”

March 27th, 2007, 12:40 AM	#18
Gun Loving Liveral Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bennington, Oklahoma Posts: 121	My main hobby is amateur astronomy, and I have had opportunity to compare many Russian-made binoculars and telescopes. While the highest quality optics in the world are German, Japanese or USA made the Russian optics industry has improved a LOT in the past 5-6 years or so and the general quality is now almost even with USA quality. Their prices are indeed better. Interestingly, most of the problems I have seen are mechanical rather than optical (focus knob sticks or such). The great majority of the glass I have looked through is good quality and worth the money. Chinese optics are improving rapidly. The Chinese problem is more of quality control. One set of binoculars is a real bargain for the money but the next pair are only good for peperweights. I am making a guess that the same skills and quality control for making good binoculars and telescopes applies to rifle scopes. __________________ In Oklahoma, even we liberals like guns!

March 27th, 2007, 10:53 AM	#19
cmidkiff Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 815	Whatever you spend on a .308, you can count on spending more on ammo! I picked up a PTR91 a few weeks ago, let me tell you... feeding this thing is going to be a real problem :) __________________ Liberty is an inherently offensive lifestyle. Living in a free society guarantees that each one of us will see our most cherished principles and beliefs questioned and in some cases mocked. It's worth it.

March 27th, 2007, 12:50 PM	#20
SammyIamToday VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 2,081	My Saiga is in 7.62 x 39, but it shoots rather well. Better than a lot of AK's I've fired. The trigger is kinda long and strange, but it can be replaced. I'd like to get one in .308 at some point, but not very high on my list. Great rifle for the money though, I'd buy another. __________________ ...He suggested that "every American citizen" should own a rifle and train with it on firing ranges "at every courthouse." -Chesty Puller

March 21st, 2007, 09:16 PM	#13
Redneck Repairs VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,141	On the end of quality optics the " commie " socpe will usualy deliver less for every dollar ya spend , howeaver it will deliver a wideer range of adjustments . so under 600 to 1k cheap glass is good , commie or not , there is no need for top optics at under 600 yards now . Parden me while i put my flame suit on but there it is lol .

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