firefighter4884

Scot,

Can you post links?

--Jim

__________________
Firefighter / EMT - Always Ready. Ever Willing.

~Never do anything that you don't want to have to explain to the paramedics...~

Scot Van

Out of respect for this forum and the individuals who operate it, I shan't post stuff like this unless pertinent to the thread and SPECIFICALLY asked for.

You can look at our entire line of stocks at

www.atigunstocks.com

also,

www.knoxx.com
www.speedfeedinc.com
www.mesatactical.com
www.choatestocks.com

__________________
Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger.
A. Hoffman

Scot Van

Regarding Mesa Tactical...

These guys are STELLAR! Their stuff is definitely a cut above anyone else's design, but you pay through the nose for 'em. Everything is milled aluminum, and incredibly durable. The really great thing about what this company is doing is that they make your shotgun milspec! With the adapter they make, you can slide your milspec AR-15 stock onto your shotgun!

Drawbacks : super pricey AND you'll need a different adapter to fit a Mossberg, Winchester or Remington. Ours fits all of 'em and it is MUCH less expensive.

I should mention that Mesa Tactical is now offering the Endine recoil system for the shotgun line. If you really think you need a recoil suppression system, go for that one, not the aforementioned spring system.

__________________
Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger.
A. Hoffman

Gary Brommeland

Scot,

The forum staff and management are not going to object to mentioning your product, unless that's ALL that you do. The kind of information that the members are looking for is in part "what do I need? Where can I find it?" kinda stuff, and I don't want you to feel as though you are gonna get jumped for mentioning a product that you are connected with. ( So long as you are also involved in other aspects of the forum as well.)

Personally, I want to thank you for your post - I was just about to order a Knoxx stock for my 870. However, in a defensive tool reliability is my number one consideration, and a stock that would encourage a "short stroke" is definately out of the question.

For my personal use, I am looking for a stock that is not going to give a shotgun the "assault weapon" look. God forbid that I am actually forced to use it, but if that does occur I want the jury to see "grandpa's ole shotgun" rather than "an evil assault weapon designed soley for the purpose of killing human beings". (A lot of prosecutors don't really care much about justice as opposed to their conviction rate.)

So, my question to you is this - what stock would you recommend for my purposes - a general purpose defensive shotgun that does not look "tactical"?

As far as recoil reduction goes, I'm 6-2 and 240 lbs and I can deal with the recoil. (I just don't like it much). However, my wife or teenage son might need to employ it, and I want it to be manageable for them. Reduced recoil loads are obviously part of the equation, but I think that porting is not. John Farnam points out that since shotguns have thin barrel walls to begin with, porting them makes them prone to cracking. I intend to send a barrel to Hans Vang to work his magic on, and I'd hate to have a 3-$400 barrel crack on me...

In any event, your knowledge of this subject matter seems to greatly exceed my own, so I am open to suggestions. Thank you for your time.

Rob72

It would depend very much on how you use it. First, Remington and Winchester (now FN) have the thickest walled barrels made, unless you get the mil-spec Mossberg 590-A1. Benelli's M4 is actually the first heavy-wall, comparable to stock Rem & Win, they've made. Having said that, if you're going to knock the barrel around quite a bit (room clearing, in a cruiser, etc., etc.,) I might be concerned with porting of any kind. However, as a home-owner, and not one to use your shotty as a ram on a regular basis, it should not be much concern.

Secondly, as Gabe Suarez points out, we have developed a fascination for making "rifles" out of shotguns. The purpose of a SG is to spread shot, not make all the pellets go into a 1" hole at 25 yards. In context, I would like a Vang barrel in certain, limited, situations, but not on a HD shotgun. In that context, if you did have a barrel split, (if you were wise in the purchase), it would be a $99 Mossberg-made Rem aftermarket part.

If you don't want a mechanized stock, you could try:
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...RECOIL+REDUCER
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/sto...RECOIL+REDUCER

I haven't used any of the stock-mounted devices, so..

The problem people usually have with the SG is the lift, more than the recoil, so for smaller people/people who aren't going to really work a SG handling system into their repertoir, porting, mated with a good pad, goes a long way. "Recoil" becomes a straight-back shove, instead of a "back-and-up".

FWIW, drilling ports can weaken a barrel, structurally, EDM (Magnaport) should not.

Scot Van

GB,

I'm glad my intent is clear. Thanks for the supportive words.

Your note indicates that whatever you decide upon for a replacement stock, WE DON'T MAKE IT! Ours will all lend themselves to the less-DA-friendly, aggressive image (even our Mossy Oak camo. ones for turkey hunters...they are pistol-grip, too). I giggle when people bristle at the word 'tactical', but I understand. I've tried to use more descriptive, less trendy verbiage. However, most people feel that 'tactical' translates to 'overpriced black gunstuff'.

I think you'd be best off with something from Speedfeed, since they have a traditional looking stock with some noteable upgrades (like the built-in shell compartment). I'm confident that Messrs. Vang and Farnham would approve of that, too.

http://www.speedfeedinc.com/?location=products

Otherwise, I'd be happy to send you the original that came with my new Marine P 870. It is a polymer, but not a pistol grip. It is somewhat abbreviated. I'm not sure of the exact measurements now, since I'm not at home today, but my guess is that it is about twelve inches of pull.

Finally, sending your stuff to Hans Vang is a GREAT idea. While I've only spoken to him briefly (and that specifically a job that he did with our stock on it), I've shot examples of his work and I am blown away. He is a true innovator and you won't be disappointed. On the other hand, Mr. Farnham has forgotten more than I'll ever know about shotguns. I would defer to his expertise on my best day. Both of these fellow are some of the most approachable, informed dudes you'll ever be glad you called to ask questions of! I don't expect that one opinion necessarily negates the other, either. Perhaps the cryo-process that Mr. Vang uses toughens things up to prevent the brittleness?

ASK!

__________________
Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger.
A. Hoffman

Senderofan

I can appreciate what Scot Van said about doing a challenge. I've never seen or handled a stock from ATI....I'm assuming they're top notch. But, I installed my Knoxx Spec Ops stock and power pak last friday evening. I have to say I'm thoroughly pleased with the design and execution.

I've not had the time to test out my 590-A1 yet....but I'm getting pretty itchy. I also had the barrel ported, forcing cone polished along with the barrel and the trigger tweaked a bit. My hope is....that between the porting and the stock....my wife won't be too intimidated to use it for its intended purpose.

Good Luck....Kick plenty of tires as it were...and decide what's best for you.

Wayne

A1C Lickey

Even with PolyShok or AirVon rounds a breaching barrel is still very useful. The end of a breaching barrel allows you to jam it into a door and position it to the right angle.

__________________
SSgt. Lickey

It takes a college degree to break'em;
and a high school education to fix'em!

Bud White

I have the ATI m4rgy Stock on my 1300 winchester does what i wanted which was change length so me and the Mrs can both use same shotgun ..

Still get that full power 12 gauge recoil..

Scot Van

True enough. And it can be one mean punch in the face for an unarmed BG that doesn't need killed, just put down.

__________________
Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger.
A. Hoffman