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Old September 7th, 2007, 03:33 PM   #1
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A shots fired review ( not a range report ) on the savage scout rifle .

I have this ongoing obsession with a utility rifle .

Now i guess my definition of a utility rifle is in order ..

To me a utility rifle is the " leatherman tool " of rifles , its not hard to find a better tool for any job , but a tool that will do many jobs is worth having , and in fact what you are likely to have at any one point and time .

With this in mind Jeff Coopers scout rifle concept has facanated me , to the point i had a base mount custom made for an enfield .308 . This did not work as well as i had hoped , tho i still own the rifle . I looked and studyed some more on the entire utility rifle concept as i wanted it and found that cooper met most of my expectations/needs and then some stuff i really did not consider important.


What i consider important in a utility rifle are the following qualitys ..

1. 40" or less in length.

2. under ( preferably well under 8 lbs )

3. Ability to mount Iron sights ( for when the abuse it takes does your scope under ) and scope ( not necessarily at the same time )

4. rugged reliable action that can rattle around a trunk or behind the seat of a pickup for years and still work .

5. Of a caliber that is sufficient to your use , common to find , and light enough on recoil that you will actually practice with it .

6. some method of sling carry that is preferably also of use as a shooting aid .

Note now that absent are brand , looks , stock material , finish , optics price , and a host of other things .

My thoughts led me to the .308 win and a bolt action as a starting point tho others would work also but anything else would be a deal breaker for me .

Along came this Savage 10 " scout model " ( used but lovingly so due to overall condition ) with a host of " extras " from a new rifle , I also happened to have a CZ pistol that i had owned 4 years and not shot a couple of hundred rounds thro .. good pistol , just not my favorite . So i called the ffl and made the swap over the phone , all deals ironed out ( he had not even seen the pistol lol ) and we both were happy .. When i got back up there ( it took about a week ) to consummate the deal imagine my supprise when i got a " drag bag " ( a soft case with a shoulder strap ) a harris bi pod , and 100 rounds of winchester 110 grn factory ammo on the deal ( but no freaking sling lol ).

My carbine ( more correct than rifle when it comes to scout or utility definitions ) came pre equipped with a NC Star 2x7 pistol scope mounted ( not my idea or choice on a " scout scope " but functional and possibly a better idea than mine at least for plains conditions ) .

Yesterday i had a couple of hours , but on my place not at a range , so i shot abut 30 rounds or so of the 110s thro the rifle . I set out a gallon paint can and took 110 paces from it to start out , rifle was right on and reliably rolled the paint can from both off hand and seated postitions . Next was a pop can , it worked fine also if i held on the bottom of the pop can once it was knocked over and laying sideways ( so figure for me it was sighted about 2" high at a hundred yards ) . Recoil was noticeable ( was not like a .223 ) with the 110s but not bad at all tho i both look forward to and dread the trial of 180s . The accuracy shown so far fits well with the role i see for the rifle tho i have not tried any longer range shots or put it on paper .

To the gun its self ....

I have both Likes and Dislikes on this savage . It will never be a " bragging " gun ... its the gun at deercamp which gets set back in the shadowed corner since its cheap and i find the action ugly (which is ok since i can haul a pre 64 mod 70 to show off and " brag " on too ) However this little rifle is imho going to be boring , if you can see a target its likely you can hit it . I frankly like the loose as a goose bolt it has , and the oversized bolt ( full 90% throw makes working it a joy )that you can easily manipulate with the web of the thumb method , never actualy grasping the bolt or dropping the rifle from the sholder is great .

The synthetic stock is crap , you cannot properly sling up without pulling the stock over to contact ( i plan on fixing this by inletting and jb welding ( epoxy ) a length of 1/4 or so keystock into the forearm channel . The supplied iron sights are of iffy quality bening williams ghost ring peep , but hey you wont use them much , and they dont add bulk or weight . My rifle came with a b square base that mounts partly on the front reciever ring and leaves the scope occluding about a third of the load/ejection port which is not a handicap for me .. the foreward mount scope is not what makes a utility rifle anyway .. other usability issues do .

Another issue is have is cheek weld to see thro the scope , you have to " shoot trap " IE a heads up stance , now you can and in fact do get a good cheekweld , but it is not what you think of for rifle , more what you think of for shotgun . I plan to play with filler stuffed under a buttcuff ( extra ammo loops ) to try and fix this . It should be noted tho that as near as i can tell the savage stock is setup right for the iron sights , not a scope .

Any way IMHO the Savage rifle will make no one a pride of ownership bragging rifle .
What the little " scout " will do is give someone who shops for issues other than pure defense ( and some who shop for that also ) an entry price rifle which can be your " trunk gun " and your hunting gun at a cost of under even the cheap ar platforms . Its not a sniper , and its not an assault , It is a leatherman weapon ... from 25 yards out to where YOU can hold it it will do the job , others better and more comfortable , but like a leatherman tool on the belt , if this is all you have you are well armed over the person who has nothing .

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Old September 7th, 2007, 04:16 PM   #2
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Looks like you got pretty much the package you sought in that rifle ..... I think my own equivalent to that is probably my REM 760 'Gamemaster' .. it's a deer rifle primarily but, because shorter in barrel and quite light, it is very totable. Only 4 mag capacity but the pump action makes for pretty fast reloads.

My other possible choice in your approx category would always vere toward a lever. I have 2 '94's but they are pistol cal ... I do tho rather fancy a '94 in good ol' ''thuddy-thuddy'' .... even tho a weaker round.

Seems like your gun is pretty well dialed in ... just a 200 - 250 yard test perhaps and you are well set.
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It sounds like you found what you were looking for and got it on trade, which is always nice.

As far as a utility rifle, I'll go with Chris, I've chosen a nice Mod 94 30-30 for me.
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