What is the difference between M4, AR15, AK47 - Page 2

azchevy · October 6th, 2007, 09:55 PM

Well apparentlyl Col Davd Hackworth did just that

http://www.sdreader.com/published/20...8/reading.html

Diesel 007 · October 6th, 2007, 10:02 PM

Thanks for the article. I guess I will just have to get both just not at the same time. I think that will solve my problem. :)

aus71383 · October 7th, 2007, 12:35 AM

I would add that the military M4 has a 14.5 inch barrel because it still allows attachment of the bayonet. Also it is the M16 (20" barrel) which has the semi or 3 round burst, and the M4 goes from semi to full auto. Also it might make a difference to note that the M16/M4/AR-15 family are all generally chambered in .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO - while the AKs are usually in 7.62x39.

Austin

OD · October 7th, 2007, 03:05 AM

The M4 carbine;
http://colt.com/mil/M4_2.asp

Miggy · October 7th, 2007, 04:31 AM

Whichever platform you choose, make sure you practice and practice with it. At the end it is a question of how much money can you spend on the rifle plus gadgets plus what is your goal and where are you planning on using your rifle. I have the romanian variant of the AK called the WASR 10 considered by those who "know" as (allegedly) just about the crappiest AK-type built. I shot close to 1000 rounds through it and had exactly 2 failures: one a double feed which was probably a combination of not cleaning the weapon from all the hardened cosmoline it came with and my ignorance on the weapon, and the other time the spring of the mag was just too old and worn out. I feel confident that for my use in an urban/suburban enviroment it is the weapon that would be the best. But to each its own.

Rob72 · October 8th, 2007, 11:35 AM

I know what you mean, Miggy! The WASR has a "lesser" finish, and has front-sight issues, much like Bushmaster ARs have in the past, but they both keep clocking along.

Diesel, I'll be honest, I'm extremely pessimistic about 2008, so unless you have a LARGE budget, I would recommend an AK, 12-15 mags, and 2 cases of Wolf Military-Classic. As far as "which AK?", if you like to tinker, or just want one that runs now, I like the WASR. For around $200 or so more, you can get an Arsenal.

Forgot to add: the sights on the AK may work for you, but you'll have more accuracy if you have the rear blade opened up, and get a different front post. XS sights makes a complete replacement set, with tritium. ACE makes a replacement drum that will accept any AR post. www.riflestocks.com

October 6th, 2007, 09:55 PM	#11
azchevy Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oceanfront Property Posts: 506	Well apparentlyl Col Davd Hackworth did just that http://www.sdreader.com/published/20...8/reading.html __________________ "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."- Edmund Burke

October 7th, 2007, 03:05 AM	#14
OD VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vatican City Posts: 2,792	The M4 carbine; http://colt.com/mil/M4_2.asp __________________ OD "Slow down, you'll get a more harmonious outcome...." -------------------------------------------- *"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." - Jeff Cooper*

October 7th, 2007, 04:31 AM	#15
Miggy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Miami-Dade, FL Posts: 4,826	Whichever platform you choose, make sure you practice and practice with it. At the end it is a question of how much money can you spend on the rifle plus gadgets plus what is your goal and where are you planning on using your rifle. I have the romanian variant of the AK called the WASR 10 considered by those who "know" as (allegedly) just about the crappiest AK-type built. I shot close to 1000 rounds through it and had exactly 2 failures: one a double feed which was probably a combination of not cleaning the weapon from all the hardened cosmoline it came with and my ignorance on the weapon, and the other time the spring of the mag was just too old and worn out. I feel confident that for my use in an urban/suburban enviroment it is the weapon that would be the best. But to each its own. __________________ You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming. Randy Cain. GunFreeZone.net

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October 6th, 2007, 10:02 PM	#12
Diesel 007 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: VA Posts: 98	Thanks for the article. I guess I will just have to get both just not at the same time. I think that will solve my problem. :)

October 7th, 2007, 12:35 AM	#13
aus71383 Distinguished Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United States Posts: 1,711	I would add that the military M4 has a 14.5 inch barrel because it still allows attachment of the bayonet. Also it is the M16 (20" barrel) which has the semi or 3 round burst, and the M4 goes from semi to full auto. Also it might make a difference to note that the M16/M4/AR-15 family are all generally chambered in .223 Rem or 5.56 NATO - while the AKs are usually in 7.62x39. Austin

October 8th, 2007, 11:35 AM	#16
Rob72 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 3,112	I know what you mean, Miggy! The WASR has a "lesser" finish, and has front-sight issues, much like Bushmaster ARs have in the past, but they both keep clocking along. Diesel, I'll be honest, I'm extremely pessimistic about 2008, so unless you have a LARGE budget, I would recommend an AK, 12-15 mags, and 2 cases of Wolf Military-Classic. As far as "which AK?", if you like to tinker, or just want one that runs now, I like the WASR. For around $200 or so more, you can get an Arsenal. Forgot to add: the sights on the AK may work for you, but you'll have more accuracy if you have the rear blade opened up, and get a different front post. XS sights makes a complete replacement set, with tritium. ACE makes a replacement drum that will accept any AR post. www.riflestocks.com