SIXTO

I would think thats an excellent combo for any likely senario. The lever actions are often over looked, and I dont think its a bad trade off giving up a semi action for the extra power of 357 or even a 44.
I really like Rugers Deerfield carbine. Its 44 mag, I just wish they made some higher capacity magazines.

Honestly, I really doubt that we will find ourselves in a war zone, if we did, it would long past the point of using our pee shooters. If a SHTF thing happens, its going to be the aftermath of a natural disaster or maybe a terror attack. Both of those a lever action would take care of you just fine.

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cphilip

Don't forget the more primary usefulness of a "hunter/gatherer sort of firearm in that sort of situation. Small bore shotgun and small caliber Rifle for taking game in a survival situation might be more important than defense in most daily situations.

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SIXTO

With out a doubt. A solid 22 should be in everyones gun cabinet. I really like those combo deals, a .22 on top and a 410 on the bottom. Savage made them most recently- do they still? I guess thats a whole new thread in the making.

Back on topic, I just found some stick mags for the PC4. I'm doubting the quality, but we will see. The RRA 9mm is still a few months away, but the PC4 should be here this week.
Any special requests for the range report?

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I have owned the following for over 20 years:

357 revolver and Marlin lever 357
44 mag revolver and Marlin and Ruger 44 mag levers
A lot of people don't realize that out of a rifle a 357 is pretty much nip and tuck with the 30-30, with greater capacity, easier and cheaper to load, I love it.

Awhile back got 45 colt revolvers and 1866 yellowboy in 45 colt (gotta love cowboy shooting)

Latest addition to my PCC collection is a Marlin Camp 9 in nickel finish that I just bought a couple of weeks ago.

I love these carbines even more because with reloading I can shot the crap out of them for a fraction of what shooting a rifle costs me and I can shot them on the indoor pistol range that I frequent.

And most of all they are just FUN!!!

cphilip

I think Savage went almost out of business and quit making those back in the 80's. Springfield made the M6 Scout sort of like it. Also don't think those are made anymore and very recently discontinued. Also I think Rossi makes one or did. And EEA was making a russian built version. Of course then there are/were several quick change single barrel survival rifles as well. Some of those may be still made. Like Henry and such IIRC. Would love to have one of the Model 24's or something like it.

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Gunrunner1911

The Savage 24 was the best gun I had for short "survival" trips. It came apart in two pieces was light and could be used on small to large game. Mine was 22mag over 20 gauge. If you buy one look for the premium model with the barrel selector button on the reciever which is better than the flipper thing in the hammer. The older versions are prettier too and make great wall hangers. MO
One aspect of PCC cost that hasn't been mentioned. While my AR in 45 was expensive it is something that I am very familiar with as far as operation and handling. I have better than 100k rounds through ARs of all types. The learning curve of a new weapon might mean shooting the dollar equivlent of savings in ammo to learn the new gun. It's just a thought.
Where I live I could fire a rifle in most directions with safety. It's 40 acres minimum lot size. Do I have a need to? Hardly I need something out to 75 yrds for most likely Coyote or Mountain Lion. It would be livestock defense. Defending the homestead is best left to the pistol or shotgun. I'm using the pistol indoors and if I think I have to go out the shotgun. I think the AR fills the narrow need of having a defense gun which is light, easy to handle and shoot, good firepower feeds from 20 and 30 rnd Thompson SMG mags and accurate to reasonable ranges considering location terrain and neighbors. The tactical advantage of suppression doesn't hurt either and the 45 is naturally perfect.

NE45

Savage is very much still in business and still makeing the Model 24F in either the 20 or 12 gauge and various rifle calibers.

It would seem to me that your choice between a pistol caliber carbine or the rifle caliber version would depend to some extent on what you are the most familiar with. If the pistol version allows you to practice more then that might be the most practical selection for you.

Personally, if I thought there was any possibility of being in a gunfight I’d want my AR. Not that I feel unsafe with my pistols, but I shoot the AR a lot and I have a lot more confidence in the ability of 5.56 or 223 to stop a threat, than I do in any pistol caliber.

That said I’d still like to at least shoot a 10mm AR, even if I presently lack the funds to buy one.

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DOGOFWAR01

Consider ongoing training or self-practice / drills A to Z.

Consider the continual price increases of ammo.

Consider the availability of ammo.

The more the ammo is available and the lower cost the more most will be more incline train / practice.

Figure, dry practice 5 times that of live fire practive.

9mm in carbines, rifles, and handguns. 22 LR in handguns (conversion for Glocks and others by Advantage Arms) and lever action rifles and carbines.

Use of the SIGARMS Factory P226 and P229 Air Soft handguns, for practice and force-on-force training.

AR-15 5.56 or .223 consider the COLT AR-15 6450 semi-auto in 9mm, same controls and design - with price difference in ammo, pay for the Colt AR-15 6450 in less than 5,000 rds down range (not much ammo down range for some of us)

Sigarms Airsoft with price difference in ammo pays for the Airsoft Gun quicker than the blink of an eye, for some of us.

H&R H001 Lever Action new $200 to $250 22LR pays for the gun quick too. Marlin 39A Lever Action new $400 to $500 22LR pays for the gun very soon too.

Yes, still need to practice and train, with what you actually carry and plan to use for self defense , but with the items above can get a lot of training done for the fraction of the cost then end with some number of live rounds in the firearm you carry and plan to use for self defense.

MattLarson

Or, an AR in 5.56 with a .22LR conversion kit.

Full power still on tap for social purposes, cheap practice ammo for training.

Matt

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