Carbine Crazy- PC4 to use Glock mags?

SIXTO · October 7th, 2007, 06:25 PM

I dont know why, but I'm going nuts on this pistol cal. carbine thing. I dont know why I need some, but I do. I just ordered a RRA 9mm AR, and have been pulling my hair out looking for a PC9.

I havent been able to locate a PC9, but I have found some PC4s. The only reason I havent bought a 40 is the magazine issue. I have heard rumors about be able to convert them to use Glock mags, has anybody done this?

ccw9mm · October 7th, 2007, 08:10 PM

Re PC9's ... Spoke too soon. The ones I had listed all seem to have been recently sold. Sorry 'bout that.

PC4 on GunsAmerica.

Another PC4 on GunsAmerica.

Yet another PC4 on GunsAmerica.

PC9 on Gunbroker.com. Closes in 3hrs.

The EliteDealSeeker.com tool is great for a quick scan of all recent postings on all the major gun classifieds forums around the country. Using it, you can get wind of recent ads that come up, within moments of them being posted.

CheaperThanDirt.com carries the magazines.

SIXTO · October 7th, 2007, 09:05 PM

Thanks, I've been watching that PC9. It was a pretty good deal a few days ago, but its getting a little to high. I just picked up a PC4 a few minutes ago online for 350.- I think thats a steal. I'm researching mags now. I'm wondering if its worth the effort for a Glock conversion or sticking with Ruger mags.
I know I can convert Beretta mags to work, and both the 9mm and 40 versions of both brand mags will feed.

SIXTO · October 8th, 2007, 01:32 PM

The PC4 is becoming my latest pet project. I've ordered a bunch of garbage for it, but I dont know why I need to do this yet. I've spent a bunch of cash on what was supposed to be my fun gun on a budget... oh well, budgets always go out the window.

Here are the mods on the way;

HK style flash hider
Reflex Holo sight
New and improved trigger group
Glock mag conversion (When I figure out how to do it)
Surefire G2 hardmount with remote switch
Basic nylon sling
Gould & Goodrich spare mag carrier

Boy, am I going to have some explaining to do...

SIXTO · October 9th, 2007, 11:33 AM

I guess since no one is really interested in this thread, I'll go a whole new direction with it.
Why are the pistol caliber carbines not popular? The more I think about it, the more I think they are ideal for light SHTF SD or just for fun. Dont get me wrong, I dont think they can take the place of a rifle in a rifle caliber, but if you really are honest with yourself, is the power and expense of a .308 really needed for the light duty its really going to see?

Bob The Great · October 9th, 2007, 01:34 PM

I've been considering a pistol caliber carbine myself for a while. I have a hard time concieving a scenario that wouldn't be better served by either my carry pistol or the AR that would be right next to the carbine, but I still want one. It sure would be nice for ammo inter-changability, I guess.

And you know you're required to post a range report on any new gun you buy, right?

Tangle · October 9th, 2007, 01:56 PM

SIXTO,

I've always been a fan of pistol caliber carbines, especially if I can use the same mags in my carbine as my carry pistol. I have a 9mm Beretta Storm and mag inserts to accept a 92 or PX4 mag. I have four 20 round mags, two for each model, for the CX4. They are just over flush with the pistol grip of the Storm.

Usually the mention of a PCC draws the ire of the anti-pistol carbine guys. I'm amazed it hasn't already started.

MattLarson · October 9th, 2007, 03:24 PM

I'm not anti-PCC, but I just don't see the point.

If you are going to get the disadvantages of a rifle in terms of size and weight, why not take the power upgrade along with it?

Matt

pgrass101 · October 9th, 2007, 04:07 PM

I think that a pistol caliber carbine is probably ideally suited for Home Defense. Probably more so than a shotgun for many people.

buckeyeLCPL · October 9th, 2007, 04:17 PM

I think that the pistol caliber carbine could fill a defense roll very well, just like a pistol caliber smg (like a MP-5) does for a swat team, or like the Thompson used to do in a WW2 fire-team.

The idea has merit especially when matched up with interchangeable mags with a carry pistol, kinda like keepin a .45LC Peacemaker and 1873 Winchester to keep ammo simpler.

I think a big part of the reason they aren't more popular is that first of all there aren't too many of them on the market, and a lot of the ones out there are expensive. Maybe there aren't too many out there because there hasn't been much interest and its a "chicken or the egg" type problem.

I see your point about the .308, but if push comes to shove, I'd rather have the .308. And does one really need the expense and power of a .45 on the hip, when light duty and probably never being fired in anger/defense is all it is never going to see? (just a little devil's advocate there).

I think the whole idea just kind of gets over shadowed by other types of weapons. Usually for close, like under 15 or 25 yards, people think pistol, up close to -50 yards or so, a shotgun, and beyond that, rifle (at least I do), as the type of weapon to use at that range.

October 7th, 2007, 06:25 PM	#1
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 10,436	Carbine Crazy- PC4 to use Glock mags? I dont know why, but I'm going nuts on this pistol cal. carbine thing. I dont know why I need some, but I do. I just ordered a RRA 9mm AR, and have been pulling my hair out looking for a PC9. I havent been able to locate a PC9, but I have found some PC4s. The only reason I havent bought a 40 is the magazine issue. I have heard rumors about be able to convert them to use Glock mags, has anybody done this? __________________ In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king. "We don't have to worry about the cost of my federal programs because at my last visit to Long John Silver's I got a map to pirate treasure." - Obama

October 7th, 2007, 08:10 PM	#2
ccw9mm VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 6,197	Re PC9's ... Spoke too soon. The ones I had listed all seem to have been recently sold. Sorry 'bout that. PC4 on GunsAmerica. Another PC4 on GunsAmerica. Yet another PC4 on GunsAmerica. PC9 on Gunbroker.com. Closes in 3hrs. The EliteDealSeeker.com tool is great for a quick scan of all recent postings on all the major gun classifieds forums around the country. Using it, you can get wind of recent ads that come up, within moments of them being posted. CheaperThanDirt.com carries the magazines. __________________ Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it. Reports: CZ P01 pt1, pt2. Thoughts: Justifiable self defense. Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims? Tip: Use the <search> feature.

October 7th, 2007, 09:05 PM	#3
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 10,436	Thanks, I've been watching that PC9. It was a pretty good deal a few days ago, but its getting a little to high. I just picked up a PC4 a few minutes ago online for 350.- I think thats a steal. I'm researching mags now. I'm wondering if its worth the effort for a Glock conversion or sticking with Ruger mags. I know I can convert Beretta mags to work, and both the 9mm and 40 versions of both brand mags will feed. __________________ In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king. "We don't have to worry about the cost of my federal programs because at my last visit to Long John Silver's I got a map to pirate treasure." - Obama

October 8th, 2007, 01:32 PM	#4
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 10,436	The PC4 is becoming my latest pet project. I've ordered a bunch of garbage for it, but I dont know why I need to do this yet. I've spent a bunch of cash on what was supposed to be my fun gun on a budget... oh well, budgets always go out the window. Here are the mods on the way; HK style flash hider Reflex Holo sight New and improved trigger group Glock mag conversion (When I figure out how to do it) Surefire G2 hardmount with remote switch Basic nylon sling Gould & Goodrich spare mag carrier Boy, am I going to have some explaining to do... __________________ In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king. "We don't have to worry about the cost of my federal programs because at my last visit to Long John Silver's I got a map to pirate treasure." - Obama

October 9th, 2007, 11:33 AM	#5
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 10,436	I guess since no one is really interested in this thread, I'll go a whole new direction with it. Why are the pistol caliber carbines not popular? The more I think about it, the more I think they are ideal for light SHTF SD or just for fun. Dont get me wrong, I dont think they can take the place of a rifle in a rifle caliber, but if you really are honest with yourself, is the power and expense of a .308 really needed for the light duty its really going to see? __________________ In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king. "We don't have to worry about the cost of my federal programs because at my last visit to Long John Silver's I got a map to pirate treasure." - Obama

October 9th, 2007, 01:34 PM	#6
Bob The Great Distinguished Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Slidell, LA Posts: 1,468	I've been considering a pistol caliber carbine myself for a while. I have a hard time concieving a scenario that wouldn't be better served by either my carry pistol or the AR that would be right next to the carbine, but I still want one. It sure would be nice for ammo inter-changability, I guess. And you know you're required to post a range report on any new gun you buy, right? __________________ "A well-educated electorate, being necessary to the continuance of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed." Is this hard to understand? Then why does it get unintelligible to some people when 5 little words are changed?

October 9th, 2007, 01:56 PM	#7
Tangle Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chattanooga Posts: 6,001	SIXTO, I've always been a fan of pistol caliber carbines, especially if I can use the same mags in my carbine as my carry pistol. I have a 9mm Beretta Storm and mag inserts to accept a 92 or PX4 mag. I have four 20 round mags, two for each model, for the CX4. They are just over flush with the pistol grip of the Storm. Usually the mention of a PCC draws the ire of the anti-pistol carbine guys. I'm amazed it hasn't already started. __________________ "Plans fail, things fail, people fail; but, fear never fails - it must be defeated." - by Tangle, a long time ago.

October 9th, 2007, 03:24 PM	#8
MattLarson Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,510	I'm not anti-PCC, but I just don't see the point. If you are going to get the disadvantages of a rifle in terms of size and weight, why not take the power upgrade along with it? Matt __________________ Hope is not a plan.

October 9th, 2007, 04:07 PM	#9
pgrass101 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 6,548	I think that a pistol caliber carbine is probably ideally suited for Home Defense. Probably more so than a shotgun for many people. __________________ Noli nothis permittere te terere I am waiting on my personal bailout!!!

October 9th, 2007, 04:17 PM	#10
buckeyeLCPL VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: saddam's palace Posts: 2,374	I think that the pistol caliber carbine could fill a defense roll very well, just like a pistol caliber smg (like a MP-5) does for a swat team, or like the Thompson used to do in a WW2 fire-team. The idea has merit especially when matched up with interchangeable mags with a carry pistol, kinda like keepin a .45LC Peacemaker and 1873 Winchester to keep ammo simpler. I think a big part of the reason they aren't more popular is that first of all there aren't too many of them on the market, and a lot of the ones out there are expensive. Maybe there aren't too many out there because there hasn't been much interest and its a "chicken or the egg" type problem. I see your point about the .308, but if push comes to shove, I'd rather have the .308. And does one really need the expense and power of a .45 on the hip, when light duty and probably never being fired in anger/defense is all it is never going to see? (just a little devil's advocate there). I think the whole idea just kind of gets over shadowed by other types of weapons. Usually for close, like under 15 or 25 yards, people think pistol, up close to -50 yards or so, a shotgun, and beyond that, rifle (at least I do), as the type of weapon to use at that range. __________________ Fortes Fortuna Juvat We're mules lad. Mules that kill. JTR

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