Joshua M. Smith

Hello,

With my rifle, open sights, I can hold 1.5" to 2" at 50 yards. Though I like all my bullet holes touching, I recognize this may not be possible.

I am wondering what you can do with a battle designed, open sighted rifle at 50 yards, standing, using a field implemented rest like a tree or something along those lines.

I'm not talking about benching a rifle. I can make the bullet holes touch if I do bench it, but I'm wondering where I am on the bell curve when it comes to shooting while standing up.

Thanks,

Josh <><

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aus71383

You're doing just fine. Most military rifles in their top condition will do no better than 3 MOA. If you can shoot from an improvised rest like that, you can hit a man sized target at several hundred yards easily...what more do you want?

Austin

Joshua M. Smith

Well, to be the best I guess. I was invited to join a military rifle team in competition when they start back up again next year, and I want to win. I won't be breaking the stock over my knee if I lose or anything like that, but I'm asking for Mojo peep sights for Christmas.

Put simply, I want to be able to outshoot the rifle, not the other way around.

Thanks,

Josh <><

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HotGuns

I've been in a few military rifles contests and the target was nothing special at all...just an 8x10 sheet of paper at 100 yards using stock sights. Ten shots were fired, 3 kneeling,3 standing,3 prone and 1 however you wanted to.

You'ds be susprised at the "groups" fired. Often 8 or 9 shots on the paper would win it. If all 10 were on it than group size won. It was'nt often that 10 shots would be on the paper though.

Most battle rifles have pretty coarse sights. The trick is to get the rifle sighted so that the top or yuour front sight rests at the bottom of the paper.That will give a consistant sight hold point. The rest is just basics. Sounds easy enough I know, but in real life its harder than you think. Sounds like you are doing great at 50. If you can do that good at 100 you should have no problems.

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Joshua M. Smith

This is shot at either 200 yards or 400 yards.

I have a Mojo peep sight ordered for Christmas. I hope it's legal - it should put me up there with the M1917 and M1 anyway...

Thanks,

Josh <><

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flagflyfish

Hey Josh,
The only thing I might suggest is to wrap the sling of your rifle around your forearm, it will give you a three point hold on the rifle. It helped me a lot when standing for a shot. 1 1/2" groups aren't anything to sneeze at!! Rex

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blueyedevil

No easy answers to the questions you're asking. A match grade M-14 or M-16 is generally a battle designed rifle, and put together with match ammo/handloads is certainly capable of sub MOA accuracy, in the hands of a world class shooter, the holes in the paper will probably be very close to the accuracy potential of the rifle. With a whole lot of practice you ought to be able to get relatively close to the accuracy attained on the bench in the most stable of positions. What exactly the rifle is capable of, depends on the individual rifle and equipment used.

SonofASniper

My first question is what rifle is this? Your Mosin?

Sounds like you are very well all ready. If you are questioning your rifle then you should try it out on a bench rest setup where it can be locked in place and maintain the same POA. That will tell you how well your rifle is grouping, though if you are maintaining this kind of grouping with a modified rest or freestanding all ready, then your rifle should be good.

After that, practice, practice, seek out training, practice, practice, get some more instruction, practice, practice, practice, consider a reloading setup, practice, practice, practice, and practice some more. Oh and by the way, practice a lot.

If you have aspirations of being the best, you need to understand that the best put more serious rounds down the range per year than most people do in a decade, and shooting is not all of the training they do.

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Joshua M. Smith

I do need to get back in shape. I used to smoke and drink caffeine; now I do neither. I gained weight though when I quit the stimulants and I've been fighting to get it off. Martial arts is helping and I'd like to do more, but a bad knee is keeping me from running. I walk plenty.

I send around 100 rounds downrange per week.

Truthfully, I feel held back by my sights. I just have a coarse sight picture.

I plan to replace the front post with a finishing nail. That should give me a nice sharp point to balance the target on. I'm also hoping for a Mojo replacement peep sight for Christmas.

We'll see what happens - might go ahead and do the front sight replacement even before I get the better rear sight.

Thanks,

Josh <><

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bmcgilvray

You're getting the most out of your sights now. Perhaps finer sights will help the rifle reach its potential.

What about the trigger? A nice trigger really helps.