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Also better to learn to count your shots and to speedfeed into an open chamber for a fast follow up.
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rocky,
I don't practice round counting in any form on purpose. My main concern was losing my firing grip, but since pulling the trigger works too I can make it work. Obviously I'm brand new to shotguns. :) |
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round counting is a good way to stay ahead in a shoot. Knowing how close to empty helps alot. It takes so doing to learn to count, as I came from a target competition background. But it seems worth it.
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Also, remember to stuff rounds into the magazine when behind cover.
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Yep, there is a lot to learn for me. I'm going to get into a course ASAP next year at the local shooting school.. Learning how to run a carbine also. Hoepfully my completed AR15 by then, else wise I better hit the weights because my FN-FAL is the only other long gun I can use. :)
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Wow, thanks CE. I didn't know that either. I have a 870 Express SuperMag and never knew. Fire this gun all the time. Thanks again CE.
I am thinking about a Benelli M4 with collapsible stock, tritium ghost ring sights and a Insight light mounted under barrel. Only disadvantage is the m4 is autoloading. I like the pump but I can get a shorter weapon with the M4 collasible stock and shorter barrel. This would be a HD weapon. (just in case there was any question). Anyone have the M4 or used before? If so I would like to know your thoughts on this gun.
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You're welcome. The Benelis are very nice, and I came close to buying one once. If I were going to by an autoloader I'd go with a Remington 11-87 though. To me it is much easier to combat load due to the loading lever/spoon releasing the bolt instead of the little button like on the Beneli.
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And how do you know the chamber is empty??
Well I guess a loud noise rather than a click would tell you. Could be interesting. What has been done with the new configuration to avoid above?
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The scenario presented was based on not keeping the chamber open after firing the last shell and not for anytime the chamber needs to be opened. There is a huge difference.
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Can anybody recommend a good video for defensive shotgun handling...specifically for a Remington 870 pump? I plan on getting one of these shotties for my brother and sis-in-law for thier sort-of isolated farm in Arizona
and would like to get them started out right with some good training info. Thanks!
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