OPFOR

Airborne Sniper - that field expedient two-point lasted well beyond Vietnam. We were using them in 2d Bat and the 509th into the mid 1990s, and I still see them occasionally today...

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jeep45238

Maybe I'm weird, but I've never understood why anybody would want a sling for close quarters on a rifle - it just seems to me that it would really limit movement in some fashion.

For me - I'll take an M1907 as a rifle sling.

What it really seems you're hunting for is a carrying strap - not a rifle sling.

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OPFOR

Well, if you can't figure out why it might be nice to be able to let go of your rifle in combat (never mind CQB) and not have it bounce off the floor, I don't know if I can explain it to you...

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jeep45238

I guess I'm a bit old fashioned - a sling is meant to physically lock the shooter and rifle together to help increase their accuracy, in my eyes. A carrying strap is mean to hold the rifle when it's released from the shooter's grip.

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OPFOR

I think your definition might be a little too strict. Slings were used to carry weapons long before they were used to stabilize them while firing...

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jeep45238

Could be - but that's my personal view on them. Guess it also makes my view on them for close quarters a bit clearer as well.

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OPFOR

Well, yes, it does...But that's like saying a large capacity box magazine is only for use as a monopod - it can serve that purpose, but it wasn't designed for that purpose. Slings were invented to carry things. Somewhere along the line, someone figured out that you could use certain types of slings to help stabilize yourself when shooting. That doesn't change the fact that the sling was designed to carry the rifle...

In any case, this is a silly argument. I respect your opinion and see where you're coming from, and I'll leave it at that.

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Skygod

You don't have any time in the military do you ?

What if your rifle goes down a the very moment that you've detonated the door, made your entry and you've got bad guy's getting up off the floor with AK's in hand ?

You gonna throw the rifle at them? or do ya think a transition to the sidearm may be a better idea ? Is it a good idea to allow the rifle to drop to the floor as your transitioning to your sidearm from you leg holster ?

I'll let ya think on that a while.

Slings have come a long way from just being a cheap way to suspend the rifle during long humps.

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jeep45238

No, and I greatly admire and respect our servicemen.

As stated, my perspective on slings comes from precision shooting - I used to compete in 50 yard small bore open sight rifle competitions when I was younger, and am still shooting for groups with my rifles. An M1907 style sling can be used to carry a rifle, but is primarily designed to stabilize the shooter while shooting a rifle.







That's my kind of sling, from my kind of background. Given that kind of background, you need to understand that I view slings and carrying straps as two different objects for two different purposes. I've never had a need or desire to blow through a wall (at the moment at least) - but I do understand the basics of accurate rifle shooting, and a good sling will do wonders for increasing accuracy offhand, supported, and prone.

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Skygod

JEEP:

Hope I didn't sound sarcastic, it was not my intent.

I still have 1907 sling somewhere around here..............LOL.

I still see them on competition rifles from time to time.

But, we're talking about "tactical" slings here.

3 point and single points where the "heat" for a while, but since Boonie Packer and Viking tactics and Blueforce Gear (VCAS) have come around, the two point has made a major swing back into action with some nice mods and additional pul strap to shorten and lengthen the sling when needed.

Good pics by the way.

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