Thinking about a carbine

tanksoldier · September 3rd, 2005, 07:06 AM

With the recent discussions about bug-out gear I've been thnking about long guns. Something in .357 like the lever action Winchester clones.

What sort of range can you expect? Are these powerful enough for hunting?

I've got a 10/22 for small game, and a 12g pump for home defense... but something longer-ranged might be nice... and I'd rather not add another type of ammo to the mix.

Bud White · September 3rd, 2005, 07:51 AM

357 Carbine isnt to bad it packs close to the punch of a 30/30 i belive i read out of a 16" barrel.

Just like in
a handgun it would get the job done if needed. Course some will argue with this but i would only say the 357 in a carbine would be good to 100-125 yards unless you were running some barn burner homebrew loads.

At that point it is losing a lot of power just like the old 30/30 and should be considered marginal at best.

I would prefer a full on rifle for longer range but the Pistol caliber carbing come in mighty handy to and also cheep for plinking at least my 9mm Storm is

P95Carry · September 3rd, 2005, 09:46 AM

Bud refers to the CX-4 Storm - I enjoy mine and it does make best use of the 9mm round - it is possible to stretch that to 100 yards and still stay on the paper.

Re levers tho - yes - I reckon my Win 94 in .357 is plenty useful to 100 yards - not the tightest of groups, maybe as big as 8" including the odd flier but still - enough energy left to be of use. I have a Marlin 94 also, in .44 mag - that is well useful and actually has the longer barrel of the two - definitely a useful tool.

Then one other thought - I have the Marlin Camp 9 and Camp 45 - not the prettiest of guns but the .45 is still well useful and of course once again - using the common pistol round.

I think tho going back to .357 - I'd try to find a Marlin version '94, as a longer barrel is good IMO. I think Savage IIRC have a nice option too - and great value.

Pics - I don't have a pic of the Camp 45 but it looks same as Camp 9.

RSSZ · September 3rd, 2005, 10:57 AM

tanksoldier, Don't know what you use for CCW,but if you carry a 9mm,.40S&W,or a .45ACP,you should take a close look at the Beretta Storm. With a red dot sight,I can put rds. on a 6" pie plate from 100yds out,very easily.(my weapon is .45ACP). The .357 is a good rd. if loaded with stiff charges and heavier bullets(180 and above). I have seen them kill 250-300 lb hogs without problem using hardcast bullets.---------

rocky · September 3rd, 2005, 11:06 AM

for close brush a pistol caliber is ok, but any med. distance is gonna leave ya behind. 120 yrds + Also a .45,9mm .40 isn't really a good choice for deer size game.

ExSoldier · September 3rd, 2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tanksoldier

With the recent discussions about bug-out gear I've been thnking about long guns. Something in .357 like the lever action Winchester clones.

What sort of range can you expect? Are these powerful enough for hunting?

I've got a 10/22 for small game, and a 12g pump for home defense... but something longer-ranged might be nice... and I'd rather not add another type of ammo to the mix.

I had a .357 carbine from Winchester M94 Trapper lever action and I got rid of it. Preferred my M94 .30-30 anyday. The thutty thutty has been the tried and true standard for what? Over 100 years? It's benign looking and in fact stands as an American ICON. Good medium sized (game) medium range or bush range hunting rifle. Versitile. If I wanted a real combat carbine (and I do, so this one is on my list) I'll go for this: http://www.springfield-armory.com/pr...es-socom.shtml It's a bit expensive, but heck, what's worth having is worth saving for. I have a good hunch that we're going to be needing all of this stuff in the near future. At least judging by New Orleans. I live in Miami and went thru Andrew (and six more over my lifetime including Katrina as a CAT 1). This is a new era of storms and probably terror. We can't count on anybody but ourselves, but that'll be enough if we can draw from our frontier heritage.

tanksoldier · September 3rd, 2005, 02:23 PM

All: Thanks for the info.

If I change my CCW to 9mm or .40 I might consider the Kel-Tec Sub 2000... any word on these? I've heard good things other places.

I like the .357 as a defense round, and I'm not lookng for a real combat firearm... I'd just buy an SKS and be done with it.

ExSoldier · September 3rd, 2005, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tanksoldier

All: Thanks for the info.

If I change my CCW to 9mm or .40 I might consider the Kel-Tec Sub 2000... any word on these? I've heard good things other places.

I like the .357 as a defense round, and I'm not lookng for a real combat firearm... I'd just buy an SKS and be done with it.

I had one of the original Kel-Tec folding carbines in 9mm and I had Browning grips attached so it could use Hi-Power mags. Then I bought a STACK of 30rd mags for not much $$ at all. It was reliable, accurate and portable. I loved that little gun, but it was a plinker for me at the time. NOW I wish I had one! I'd prolly like to get the .40 version and pick up some ultra Hi-Cap Glock mags for that. Then I could combine it with my M27 40.

ExSoldier · September 3rd, 2005, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky

for close brush a pistol caliber is ok, but any med. distance is gonna leave ya behind. 120 yrds + Also a .45,9mm .40 isn't really a good choice for deer size game.

Then of course there is the new 454 Ruger Alaskan.....Snub nose that can drop a Grizzly.

Free American · September 3rd, 2005, 04:24 PM

Sorry guys but I'm going to throw my $.02 in here. If you're going to spend $500-$600 why not get yourself an AR-15. I bought a stripped lower reciever (Bushmaster) from my local gun store for $145 then bought a kit from www.model1sales.com for $475 for the M4 setup and put it together in about 2 hours having never done it before. The gun is not match grade but I can shoot 1.5" groups at 100 yds. and the collapsible stock let's my 9 and 11 year old kids shoot it.

September 3rd, 2005, 07:06 AM	#1
tanksoldier Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,130	Thinking about a carbine With the recent discussions about bug-out gear I've been thnking about long guns. Something in .357 like the lever action Winchester clones. What sort of range can you expect? Are these powerful enough for hunting? I've got a 10/22 for small game, and a 12g pump for home defense... but something longer-ranged might be nice... and I'd rather not add another type of ammo to the mix. __________________ "I am a Soldier. I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr. "Drive fast and eat cheese!"

September 3rd, 2005, 09:46 AM	#3
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,366	Bud refers to the CX-4 Storm - I enjoy mine and it does make best use of the 9mm round - it is possible to stretch that to 100 yards and still stay on the paper. Re levers tho - yes - I reckon my Win 94 in .357 is plenty useful to 100 yards - not the tightest of groups, maybe as big as 8" including the odd flier but still - enough energy left to be of use. I have a Marlin 94 also, in .44 mag - that is well useful and actually has the longer barrel of the two - definitely a useful tool. Then one other thought - I have the Marlin Camp 9 and Camp 45 - not the prettiest of guns but the .45 is still well useful and of course once again - using the common pistol round. I think tho going back to .357 - I'd try to find a Marlin version '94, as a longer barrel is good IMO. I think Savage IIRC have a nice option too - and great value. Pics - I don't have a pic of the Camp 45 but it looks same as Camp 9. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

September 3rd, 2005, 02:23 PM	#7
tanksoldier Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,130	All: Thanks for the info. If I change my CCW to 9mm or .40 I might consider the Kel-Tec Sub 2000... any word on these? I've heard good things other places. I like the .357 as a defense round, and I'm not lookng for a real combat firearm... I'd just buy an SKS and be done with it. __________________ "I am a Soldier. I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr. "Drive fast and eat cheese!"

September 3rd, 2005, 04:24 PM	#10
Free American Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 612	Sorry guys but I'm going to throw my $.02 in here. If you're going to spend $500-$600 why not get yourself an AR-15. I bought a stripped lower reciever (Bushmaster) from my local gun store for $145 then bought a kit from www.model1sales.com for $475 for the M4 setup and put it together in about 2 hours having never done it before. The gun is not match grade but I can shoot 1.5" groups at 100 yds. and the collapsible stock let's my 9 and 11 year old kids shoot it. __________________ They who give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin Previously known as "cjm5874"

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September 3rd, 2005, 07:51 AM	#2
Bud White VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 17,476	357 Carbine isnt to bad it packs close to the punch of a 30/30 i belive i read out of a 16" barrel. Just like in a handgun it would get the job done if needed. Course some will argue with this but i would only say the 357 in a carbine would be good to 100-125 yards unless you were running some barn burner homebrew loads. At that point it is losing a lot of power just like the old 30/30 and should be considered marginal at best. I would prefer a full on rifle for longer range but the Pistol caliber carbing come in mighty handy to and also cheep for plinking at least my 9mm Storm is

September 3rd, 2005, 10:57 AM	#4
RSSZ Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,847	tanksoldier, Don't know what you use for CCW,but if you carry a 9mm,.40S&W,or a .45ACP,you should take a close look at the Beretta Storm. With a red dot sight,I can put rds. on a 6" pie plate from 100yds out,very easily.(my weapon is .45ACP). The .357 is a good rd. if loaded with stiff charges and heavier bullets(180 and above). I have seen them kill 250-300 lb hogs without problem using hardcast bullets.---------

September 3rd, 2005, 11:06 AM	#5
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 11,767	for close brush a pistol caliber is ok, but any med. distance is gonna leave ya behind. 120 yrds + Also a .45,9mm .40 isn't really a good choice for deer size game.