*Official DC AR15 picture thread* - Page 11

BAC · May 10th, 2008, 02:14 PM

Which kinda ties into OD's sig line. Nice retro, by the way.

-B

Bob The Great · May 10th, 2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ridurall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tubby45

Just a CMMG MedCon middy 1/7 upper on a Bushy lower. My 07/02 is pending and when it goes through I'm going to convert it to full auto.

All the power to you but help me understand your last statement.

I'm under the impression that perhaps unless your law enforcement you can't convert it to full auto.

My guess is he's buying a LL or DIAS and waiting for BATFE approval. Recievers cannot be converted (that would be manufacturing a new machine gun) and registered by private citizens for their own use. I don't know what a "07/02" is though.

josh · May 10th, 2008, 07:01 PM

07 is a type 7 FFL which allows someone to manufacture title 1 firearms, and 02 is an SOT2(Special Occupancy Tax) which will allow him to manufacture NFA/title 2 firearms.

To get the 02 you have to have a type 7, or 10, FFL.

With an 07/02 he can legally manufacture/convert his AR-15 to fire full auto.

Bob The Great · May 10th, 2008, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josh

07 is a type 7 FFL which allows someone to manufacture title 1 firearms, and 02 is an SOT2(Special Occupancy Tax) which will allow him to manufacture NFA/title 2 firearms.

To get the 02 you have to have a type 7, or 10, FFL.

With an 07/02 he can legally manufacture/convert his AR-15 to fire full auto.

cool.

Every time I think I've got a handle on this NFA stuff, I learn something new.

ridurall · May 11th, 2008, 10:20 AM

Thanks for the education. I didn't realize that it could be done. I'm at the stage in life that the only autoo I think I could afford to feed would be an American 180. Looks like a cross between a Thompson and a Vickers with a 175 round drum over the barrel. It only fired .22 LR and kind of sounded like a Chain Saw. I had a friend in Thomasville NC with one.

Tubby45 · May 11th, 2008, 05:31 PM

Yes, Josh is correct. In the gun world people are listed as FFL type/SOT type, so a NFA dealer is a 01/03 since he has a Type 01 FFL and a Class III SOT status. Here's a link to the different FFL types and what they can do:

FFL Types

I formed a LLC for my business and have my Type 07 FFL (normal dealers are Type 01) for manufacturer of firearms pending. Once I have that in hand, I pay a $1000 Special Occupational Tax Class II (SOT 2) and this allows me to manufacture NFA weapons including machine guns, sound suppressors, short barreled rifles and shotguns (but not in MI), and "any other weapons" (but not in MI).

In doing so, I can make any NFA weapon I want, except destructive devices, that's a separate FFL and SOT tax. I will be making M16 weapons in both full auto and burst fire and I will be making my own line of sound suppressors. In MI, I can't make short barreled weapons or AOWs. I can make machine guns with less that 16" barrels legally in MI because the fact that it is a machine gun "overrides" the fact that the barrel length is less than 16". I can put any barrel length on a machine gun, because the receiver is registered or the sear is registered.

I have to keep a bound book and file a Form 2 every time I manufacture an NFA weapon, within 24hrs. I will be a manufacturer, so there isn't the $200 tax every time I make a NFA weapon, just the yearly SOT tax of $1000 ($500 if my sales the prior year were less than $500K). If I get extra bored, I can make an M16, mail out the Form 2 to the ATF, and go shoot it.

I'm dropping the bullet casting operations soon and will be concentrating on firearm and ammunition manufacturing. I will be making Title I and Title II firearms and will be handling NFA weapon transfers in the Keweenaw Peninsula of the UP. I will also be doing Title I transfers in the area and as I build inventory will be able to ship firearms to your dealer. As soon as I get my 07 FFL, I will be offering my own line of AR15 stripped lower receivers (Title I semi auto).

For my demo machine guns, the selector switch position labels aren't going to be the boring SAFE-SEMI-FULL AUTO. I'm making it "BORING-FUN-WOOHOO!!"

los · May 14th, 2008, 11:32 AM

Bender · May 14th, 2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by los

What an evil looking black gun... SWEET

tt350z · May 14th, 2008, 03:50 PM

my modest setup

Scot Van · May 15th, 2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

There are a ot of nice AR's here, maybe I'll get around to posting a pic of mine.

I do have a question though, Why all the forward grips on the semi auto guns?

Oddly, the best part of the forward grip I have is that it is also a bipod (CAA GripPod). Very cool.

Otherwise, I'm happy with a cover on the p-rail.

May 11th, 2008, 10:20 AM	#105
ridurall Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: SW Oklahoma Posts: 658	Thanks for the education. I didn't realize that it could be done. I'm at the stage in life that the only autoo I think I could afford to feed would be an American 180. Looks like a cross between a Thompson and a Vickers with a 175 round drum over the barrel. It only fired .22 LR and kind of sounded like a Chain Saw. I had a friend in Thomasville NC with one. __________________ Life member NRA since 1983 I normally carry a Sig Pro .40 in a Crossbreed IWB but when necessary will switch to: Baby Eagle .40 W/Kramer holster Bersa Thunder380 Kel-Tec P3AT Skyy 9mm

May 11th, 2008, 05:31 PM	#106
Tubby45 Distinguished Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: In the reloading room Posts: 1,805	Yes, Josh is correct. In the gun world people are listed as FFL type/SOT type, so a NFA dealer is a 01/03 since he has a Type 01 FFL and a Class III SOT status. Here's a link to the different FFL types and what they can do: FFL Types I formed a LLC for my business and have my Type 07 FFL (normal dealers are Type 01) for manufacturer of firearms pending. Once I have that in hand, I pay a $1000 Special Occupational Tax Class II (SOT 2) and this allows me to manufacture NFA weapons including machine guns, sound suppressors, short barreled rifles and shotguns (but not in MI), and "any other weapons" (but not in MI). In doing so, I can make any NFA weapon I want, except destructive devices, that's a separate FFL and SOT tax. I will be making M16 weapons in both full auto and burst fire and I will be making my own line of sound suppressors. In MI, I can't make short barreled weapons or AOWs. I can make machine guns with less that 16" barrels legally in MI because the fact that it is a machine gun "overrides" the fact that the barrel length is less than 16". I can put any barrel length on a machine gun, because the receiver is registered or the sear is registered. I have to keep a bound book and file a Form 2 every time I manufacture an NFA weapon, within 24hrs. I will be a manufacturer, so there isn't the $200 tax every time I make a NFA weapon, just the yearly SOT tax of $1000 ($500 if my sales the prior year were less than $500K). If I get extra bored, I can make an M16, mail out the Form 2 to the ATF, and go shoot it. I'm dropping the bullet casting operations soon and will be concentrating on firearm and ammunition manufacturing. I will be making Title I and Title II firearms and will be handling NFA weapon transfers in the Keweenaw Peninsula of the UP. I will also be doing Title I transfers in the area and as I build inventory will be able to ship firearms to your dealer. As soon as I get my 07 FFL, I will be offering my own line of AR15 stripped lower receivers (Title I semi auto). For my demo machine guns, the selector switch position labels aren't going to be the boring SAFE-SEMI-FULL AUTO. I'm making it "BORING-FUN-WOOHOO!!" __________________ Freakshow Manufacturing LLC Licensed 07 FFL with Class II SOT pending California CFLC compliant

May 14th, 2008, 11:32 AM	#107
los Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Corpus Christi, Tx Posts: 463	__________________ What we've got here is failure to communicate.

May 14th, 2008, 03:50 PM	#109
tt350z New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 14	my modest setup __________________ Bushmaster XM15-E2S Kimber Eclipse Pro II Springfield XD-9 Service (sold)

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May 10th, 2008, 02:14 PM	#101
BAC Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 873	Which kinda ties into OD's sig line. Nice retro, by the way. -B

May 10th, 2008, 07:01 PM	#103
josh Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hanahan, SC Posts: 51	07 is a type 7 FFL which allows someone to manufacture title 1 firearms, and 02 is an SOT2(Special Occupancy Tax) which will allow him to manufacture NFA/title 2 firearms. To get the 02 you have to have a type 7, or 10, FFL. With an 07/02 he can legally manufacture/convert his AR-15 to fire full auto.