The DC HD Shotgun thread!

[Chevy-SS]

The buttstock adds extra length, which would (I think) cause some restriction in the tight confines of a hallway or other closed area. The Japanese Samurai used to carry two swords (long and short) just for this reason. So it would seem natural that in a closed-in HD situation, one would want a shorter weapon????

Someone please explain the seeming preference for buttstock in HD shottie.

thanks

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[ccw9mm]

Tick tock ... tick tock ... tick ...

Am still awaiting arrival of my Remington 870P 12ga SBS. Should be any day now.

[flagflyfish]

Originally Posted by SixBravo

In reference to the Mossberg 500A Cruiser Tactical...

Really? I don't have a lot of trouble with mine. Maybe Brownie or FlagFlyFish will chime in and back me up. I have that exact model and shoot skeet with it. From the relaxed position to hitting the clay is usually around half a second - 3/4 second from the throw (either of you, if I'm giving myself too much credit then lemme know - I'd kinda like to get a solid time down). Now I'll never go pro with it and I won't hit with quite the same accuracy as some of the other guys but I'm fast out of the gate and hit with decent regularity on a clay. Regardless, that little bead sight on the end is all you need for a follow-up with a missed first shot. I've even shot skeet using a two-handed pistol style grip on that rig.

Now I can also push 100+ rounds at a time with this thing. I've got meaty mitts and my wrists never complain. The mileage will vary according to the user. Sure the pistol grip is cool but I only know a few guys who can shoot it with the same gusto. Really, to make it completely practical shotgun, I would suggest a pistol-grip or normal buttstock... Again, whatever the end user prefers. As I said in my post, I'm planning to eventually pick up one of those Knoxx Tacticals. I've got about 1200 rounds through mine though and it never complains - even during the hottest sessions.

I gotta say, Six is pretty good with that little shotgun. I personally don't usually like a pistol grip on a shotgun, as it was designed to be a shoulder fired weapon, but I can see the advantages of it in a CQ situation.

[Seraph]

Originally Posted by Moga

Seraph, do you know if there is a youth stock option for the 590 model gun?

Speedfeed part# 0357 is the black synthetic Youth stock, which comes with a ribbed fore end. This is the one I just put on my 500 a couple of days ago, and the same part# is also for the 590.

[Seraph]

Originally Posted by Chevy-SS

The buttstock adds extra length, which would (I think) cause some restriction in the tight confines of a hallway or other closed area... Someone please explain the seeming preference for buttstock in HD shottie.

thanks

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The dimension that matters, when turning corners indoors, is the distance between the firing hand and the muzzle. Unless you're holding your shotgun out in front of yourself by the recoil pad, the buttstock won't add any effective length at all, hence no downside, hence general preference.

[Superhouse 15]

The only two I have pics of at work. My Benelli with CCW shell carrier and side saddle: I keep Federal low recoil flite-control buckshot in it, that and Breneke low recoil slugs in the carriers.



Wife prefers this. Yes, it's a .410, but she'll shoot it. Better than a 12 she won't practice with. Got S&B buckshot in it, a box of buckshot and Breneke slugs next to it.

[SIXTO]

A 410 will do the trick just fine, just keep the pattern tight.

[Rustynuts]

Here's my lowly S-12, after Seraph's sparkling version! What kind of side folder is that? Some kind of custom AK to AR? If AR based does the shock tube help a lot with the heavier recoil of an S-12 over a 223/556 round?

[Cuda66]

Originally Posted by Chevy-SS

The buttstock adds extra length, which would (I think) cause some restriction in the tight confines of a hallway or other closed area. The Japanese Samurai used to carry two swords (long and short) just for this reason. So it would seem natural that in a closed-in HD situation, one would want a shorter weapon????

Someone please explain the seeming preference for buttstock in HD shottie.

thanks

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A few of reasons...

1) Aiming. It's darn near impossible to aim a shotgun at waist level, and it's not easy to aim a pistol-grip shotgun at eye level (and not recommended at ALL by manufacturers, IIRC--seems it's a good way to get a good smack in the face)...and anyone who says that you don't need to aim a shotgun is...well...grossly misinformed.

2) Recoil control. Much easier to get that barrel down for follow-up shots if necessary.

3) Follow up shots (b). If a pump, it's much faster to cycle the action from the shoulder than it is at the waist. For semi-autos, it's not unusual to get a misfeed since you don't have a stable platform (shoulder) to soak up that recoil (kinda like limp-wristing a pistol).

Personally, short of specialized applications (ie, breaching), I don't see the point of pistol-gripped shotguns. Own one if you like; I won't.

[Chevy-SS]

Originally Posted by Seraph

The dimension that matters, when turning corners indoors, is the distance between the firing hand and the muzzle. ... buttstock won't add any effective length at all, hence no downside.....

Yes, I can understand what you're saying, as the stock would be directly under your forearm, and even with a pistol grip, your forearm is still there...........

Thanks

And thanks Cuda66

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