1st round less lethals - Page 2

buckeyeLCPL · July 20th, 2008, 10:54 PM

Nope, wouldn't do it, shooting a shotgun at someone is still lethal force regardless of the round fired. If you are in fear of your life, eliminate the threat as quickly as possible.

retsupt99 · July 21st, 2008, 01:23 AM

Stay armed...no owie, just powie...stay safe!

SIXTO · July 21st, 2008, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL

Nope, wouldn't do it, shooting a shotgun at someone is still lethal force regardless of the round fired. If you are in fear of your life, eliminate the threat as quickly as possible.

That sums it up nicely, why take the gamble? Less lethal is always backed up by lethal, unless you have that luxury, forget about less lethal all together. Chances are you get one shot to save your life.

dukalmighty · July 21st, 2008, 04:11 AM

You shoot an armed suspect with a bean bag round and he will be really mad when hes pumping you full of lead

Rob72 · July 21st, 2008, 10:47 AM

Two points:

1) at the average in-house distance, your LTL round is anything but. You'll kill or (worse for you) permanently maim the intruder. Whatever civil-court-Hell was awaiting, it just got hotter.

2) rubber, maybe; beanie, never. See #1. Beanbags are more specialized. I'm not often one who argues that weapon/ammo selection is a huge deal to prosecutors or plaintiff's attnys, but this is a different league.

David in FL · July 21st, 2008, 10:54 AM

Not on your life.

JD · July 21st, 2008, 10:57 AM

Key word less lethal.

less lethal does not = non lethal.

I can only mirror on points made by Sixto, Rob72, and Buckeye.

Doctorbarn · July 21st, 2008, 11:04 AM

I don't want to make the BG mad...if I'm shooting it's not for show!

cvhoss · July 21st, 2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

That sums it up nicely, why take the gamble? Less lethal is always backed up by lethal, unless you have that luxury, forget about less lethal all together. Chances are you get one shot to save your life.

I sincerely hope that I can go through my life without ever having to point my gun at anyone, but if I do, it's going to be because I believe mine or my family's life is in danger and I'm going to shoot to immediately stop the threat. I think Sixto really hit the nail on the head. Given the close quarters inside a home, you may only get one shot to stop the threat and I'm not willing to risk my family's safety to preserve the life of the person threatening that safety.

Hoss

JudoJake · July 21st, 2008, 07:59 PM

From a litigation stand point, in my opinion your better off shooting them dead, if necessary. Pain and suffering is expensive. The longer the death is drawn out, the more you will have to pay the family of the dead bad guy. This was advice I got from an Lawyer who travels the US, specializing in defending cops who get into shootings.

July 20th, 2008, 10:54 PM	#11
buckeyeLCPL VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Somestanplace Posts: 2,996	Nope, wouldn't do it, shooting a shotgun at someone is still lethal force regardless of the round fired. If you are in fear of your life, eliminate the threat as quickly as possible. __________________ Fortes Fortuna Juvat We're mules lad. Mules that kill. TJR

July 21st, 2008, 01:23 AM	#12
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July 21st, 2008, 04:11 AM	#14
dukalmighty VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: texas Posts: 6,390	You shoot an armed suspect with a bean bag round and he will be really mad when hes pumping you full of lead __________________ I like Poetry,Long Walks On The Beach,And Poking Dead Things With A Stick

July 21st, 2008, 10:54 AM	#16
David in FL VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,327	Not on your life. __________________ "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt

July 21st, 2008, 10:57 AM	#17
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July 21st, 2008, 10:47 AM	#15
Rob72 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: OK Posts: 3,468	Two points: 1) at the average in-house distance, your LTL round is anything but. You'll kill or (worse for you) permanently maim the intruder. Whatever civil-court-Hell was awaiting, it just got hotter. 2) rubber, maybe; beanie, never. See #1. Beanbags are more specialized. I'm not often one who argues that weapon/ammo selection is a huge deal to prosecutors or plaintiff's attnys, but this is a different league.

July 21st, 2008, 11:04 AM	#18
Doctorbarn Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 90	I don't want to make the BG mad...if I'm shooting it's not for show! __________________ One man with a gun can control 100 without one. Vladimir Lenin

July 21st, 2008, 07:59 PM	#20
JudoJake Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: USA Posts: 230	From a litigation stand point, in my opinion your better off shooting them dead, if necessary. Pain and suffering is expensive. The longer the death is drawn out, the more you will have to pay the family of the dead bad guy. This was advice I got from an Lawyer who travels the US, specializing in defending cops who get into shootings.

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