BAC

Repeated for emphasis.

Add to these proper carrier key staking, proper buffers, and correct front sight posts.


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Rob99VMI04

As opposed to some of those other guns that are Built to Milspec.

MILSPEC=BUILT BY LOWEST BIDDER.

IMHO there is nothing wrong with the gun. Your average shooter is never going to get enough rounds through a gun in his/her life to notice any difference. MY dream AR is a LWRC piston driven. But for HD shoot little sit behind bed waiting for the Zombie APOC nothing wrong with the DPMS.

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BAC

No. Milspec = built to specified standards. When you buy from a company that follows or does is damnest to follow the TDP, you know what you're getting. Yes, the TDP is a set of minimum standards that must be met, but its standards are for fighting rifles. The TDP is determined before the bidding ever starts.

Rollmarks aren't the only thing that differentiates a DPMS from a Colt, LMT, and Noveske (honestly, I'd also rate ADS, CD Defense, and Sabre Defense quite highly as well).


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Rob99VMI04

I agree with you to an extent however I think we can agree on one thing Military contracts depend a lot on price. Because it comes down to overall cost of all the units to out fit the military lets face it 226 vs. 92F/s I love both and own both however if I was king I would have picked the 226 over the 92. Don't get me wrong my 92 has NEVER failed, nor has my 226 however, physical ergonomic for smaller hands support the 226 over the 92.. I'm not saying nothing but if you base if off of LE what the majority carries I'm going to guess and say more departments are Carrying SIGs vs. Berettas for X reason. Also, having a gun that uses direct gas impingement may not be the best rifle. I'm not arguing caliber because I believe whole heartily in the 5.56 however piston driven for you average ground pounder maybe less forgiving. If I had piles of money and easily could buy a Sabre, Wilson, LWRC, HK, or Noveske I would. However, for your every day joe that may not see the extent of combat as your average Navy Seal or SPEC OPs cost will always go to the lowest bidder to out fit the masses. Make me king/president for a day and I would out fit every body with what SOCOM demanded have everybody shooting GLOCKs and the best piston driven gun out there that had all the perks. But for those of us on a budget and still want to be effective (who don't use it to the extent a full blown operator will) Nothing wrong with a DPMS or a bargin bin rifle.

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mcp1810

Depends how you define "best". I have heard some good things about the (please dont laugh) Charles Daley AR's from Daley Defense. They actually had a rep go on to AR-15.com and ask folks there what they wanted in a rifle. They have the "F" sight base, the M-4 feed ramps etc. etc. and the prices are pretty good. You can get a lot fancier but I expect you will pay about twice as much.

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aus71383

Noveske Colt LMT

That's if you want to stake your life on it. If its for plinking, it doesn't matter, because when it breaks you can always get it fixed - possibly under warranty. So, I'd say shop by warranty, or shop by quality (which comes with a warranty....) - although mentioning Les Baer makes me think maybe you want this for varmint/target shooting?

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BAC

I understand what you're saying (ask anyone even remotely familiar with military procurement and you can get a big list real fast of the things that need improving on; the M9 is proof enough of that), but still felt it necessary to point out that rifles built to TDP specs are the measure of a rifle's worth. You can buy from companies striving to achieve or surpass those specs, or you can buy from companies who frankly show little care for meeting them. DPMS has had many an issue that keep them from being among the "top three" no matter who you ask. RRA is better, and still has issues putting out 5.56 chambers/barrels instead of .223 ones and still doesn't understand carrier-key staking. Ask Bushmaster which front sight post they use, even on their flat-tops. Correct extractor springs and castle-nut staking aren't minor things either.

If you want to be laid back about it, sure, none of these things are required for an AR-type rifle to work. But if you've ever had failures related to any of these things, they can be damn costly to repair and potentially dangerous to you, the shooter (hotter 5.56 in .223 chambers/barrels never struck me as a safe idea). Even if the hardest thing you put your rifle through is a day at the range with family or friends, malfunctions suck. DPMS and other rifles in its class can work, and for many people do. All I'm saying is let's just not kid ourselves into thinking they're anything more than good enough.


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Ram Rod

I pretty much follow along with this thinking.

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