Class Three Carry - Page 2

GBS · September 7th, 2008, 04:13 PM

Don't think Arnold will allow that rig in CA

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Originally Posted by Ram Rod

JD · September 7th, 2008, 04:32 PM

HotGuns quoted the law, but it sounds like the OP has a SBS not an AOW.

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Handgun" means any pistol or revolver or other firearm, except a machine gun, originally designed, made and intended to fire a projectile by means of an explosion of a combustible material from one or more barrels when held in one hand.

I don't think that will meet the criteria of the law as he has an altered firearm which was originally a long gun and still should in good practice require both hands to fire. I could see shooting a "Bear Claw" one handed, but that's about it and I wouldn't want to do it if I actually NEEDED to hit may target.

Regarding can you carry it? I'm not a lawyer, but I'd just as well tell you to leave it home.

Regarding transport across state lines, I found the following:

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Travel and Use:
Do not take NFA firearms out of state without first checking with BATFE. For machine guns, short barrel rifles, and short barrel shotguns, you will need prior approval from BATFE on a Form 5320.20 to travel interstate or to permanently move NFA firearms to another state. This protects you from accidentally going some place where they are banned. If the state you are traveling to allows possession of the type of NFA firearm you own, and you have received prior approval on a Form 5320.20 (if applicable), then you can transport the firearm through any state just like any other firearm. That means it must be unloaded and readily inaccessible (in a locked case or trunk of the car). While in a travel status you are afforded the same protection as any other gun owner under the GOPA 86 law. You cannot be legally arrested for simply passing through a state, county, or township where the guns are banned unless you violate the procedures just described or stop in that state for an extended period of rest. Necessary stops for food, gas, repairs, etc., are allowed. Stopping to site-see, visit friends, or even spend the night, might be construed as an unnecessary delay and place you at risk. Check your state and local laws for other restrictions that may apply regarding hunting, concealed carry, or self-defense with an NFA firearm.

And from the BATF FAQ Section:

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B10) May a person who is relocating out of State move firearms with other household goods? [Back]

Yes. A person who lawfully possesses a firearm may transport or ship the firearm interstate when changing his or her State of residence.

Certain NFA firearms must have prior approval from the Bureau of ATF before they may be moved interstate. The person must notify the mover that firearms are being transported. He or she should also check State and local laws where relocating to ensure that movement of firearms into the new State does not violate any State law or local ordinance.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(4) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.28 and 478.31]

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(M21) Does the registered owner of a destructive device, machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle need authorization to lawfully transport such items interstate? [Back]

Yes, unless the owner is a qualified dealer, manufacturer or importer, or a licensed collector transporting only curios or relics. Prior approval must be obtained, even if the move is temporary. Approval is requested by either submitting a letter containing all necessary information, or by submitting ATF Form 5320.20 to the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch. Possession of the firearms also must comply with all State and local laws.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a) (4), 27 CFR 478.28]

Zsnake · September 7th, 2008, 04:49 PM

retsupt99....Just in case my coat falls over it. A duster type of thing.

Tubby45....I'll take a bigger hole anyday!!!

Hotguns....THANKS! That's the information I was hoping for!

Dukalmighty....The movie was Eldorado with John Wayne and James Caan also.
Caan played "Mississippi" and carried that sawed off. I had wanted one ever since I saw it for the first time. Had a guy make me a hat just like his, also. NOT that I can't shoot a pistol!LOL

Now, what I really want to know is do I need permission to take it out of the state and how do I get same if needed?

THANKS, everybody, for your input!

Zsnake · September 7th, 2008, 04:53 PM

Sorry... I can't make the pictures come up. I'm not a computer whiz.

JD...you answered my question before I asked it! Gun was NOT altered...twas made that way!

By the by, if ya use those pesky little 1 inch shells, it is perfectly manageable with one hand!

JD · September 7th, 2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsnake

Sorry... I can't make the pictures come up. I'm not a computer whiz.

JD...you answered my question before I asked it! Gun was NOT altered...twas made that way!

By the by, if ya use those pesky little 1 inch shells, it is perfectly manageable with one hand!

Fixed the pics for you, I would be willing to guess that if it's stamped an AOW, and not as a SBS, that it would be permissible to carry, but the presance of a forearm would give me pause as it does call into question the one hand vs. two hands.

However, if you ever do get stopped with that hog leg of a shooter, you can bet on being detained while the cops figure out what the deal is, NOTE I said detained, not arrested.

JammanX · September 7th, 2008, 05:24 PM

No help here. But that is beautiful.

Zsnake · September 7th, 2008, 05:26 PM

Thanks for the info, JD, and for fixing the pictures. Posting pics seems straightforward, but I guess I missed something.

Guess I won't be taking that particular item to Tenn. next week. The permission probably takes a month or more.

JD · September 7th, 2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsnake

Thanks for the info, JD, and for fixing the pictures. Posting pics seems straightforward, but I guess I missed something.

Guess I won't be taking that particular item to Tenn. next week. The permission probably takes a month or more.

You were missing some characters in the URL that you placed in the img tags.

Glad that all of us could help.

Tubby45 · September 7th, 2008, 05:41 PM

AOWs and suppressors don't need approval from the ATF to move interstate, but it might be wise to get one anyways and the ATF will approve them.

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September 7th, 2008, 04:49 PM	#14
Zsnake Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 223	retsupt99....Just in case my coat falls over it. A duster type of thing. Tubby45....I'll take a bigger hole anyday!!! Hotguns....THANKS! That's the information I was hoping for! Dukalmighty....The movie was Eldorado with John Wayne and James Caan also. Caan played "Mississippi" and carried that sawed off. I had wanted one ever since I saw it for the first time. Had a guy make me a hat just like his, also. NOT that I can't shoot a pistol!LOL Now, what I really want to know is do I need permission to take it out of the state and how do I get same if needed? THANKS, everybody, for your input!

September 7th, 2008, 04:53 PM	#15
Zsnake Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 223	Sorry... I can't make the pictures come up. I'm not a computer whiz. JD...you answered my question before I asked it! Gun was NOT altered...twas made that way! By the by, if ya use those pesky little 1 inch shells, it is perfectly manageable with one hand!

September 7th, 2008, 05:24 PM	#17
JammanX Ex Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Twin Falls, Idaho Posts: 60	No help here. But that is beautiful.

September 7th, 2008, 05:26 PM	#18
Zsnake Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 223	Thanks for the info, JD, and for fixing the pictures. Posting pics seems straightforward, but I guess I missed something. Guess I won't be taking that particular item to Tenn. next week. The permission probably takes a month or more.