Kel-tec RFB vs AK-47

onetuza · September 14th, 2008, 05:31 PM

I am hoping to add an "assault rifle" to my arsenal, not to be cool, nor as a range toy, but in case the SHTF in this country. I like the idea of lots of fire power with the .308. Funds are limited and while I am intrigued with the Kel-tec RFB in .308, the anticipated $1700-$1800 price range puts it out of my reach. Since I want it for crisis, not for the range, purchase price is important, ammo cost, not so much.

I was wondering your opinions on some of the .308 AK-47's out there that are one third to one half the projected price of the RFB?

(examples):
Saiga AK 47 .308 Rifle
AK47 RAK .308 Russian Rifle

Any experience with one? Pro's & con's?

Mo · September 14th, 2008, 05:44 PM

Saigas are good, and you can convert them back to military configuration fairly easily.

I would consider a standard Saiga or other AK in 7.62x39mm if you're looking for a true SHTF gun. 308 is pretty powerful for that kind of work. You said ammo cost isn't a big deal, but you can stockpile 2000 rounds of 7.62x39mm for less than $400, and for $100 you can have 10 mags for it if you look around. Add $350 for the Saiga and $100 for compliance parts and you've invested less than $1000 in a gun you can put in your closet, cabin or truck and forget about until you need it (or the required parctice/training every once in a while, of course). You can even load the mags with ammo and store it in them. I load 25-27 rounds to keep from maxing out the springs, but good steel surplus mags will store like that for years without serious spring fatigue.

The Saiga in 308 comes with low-capacity mags. High-cap (25-round) mags run about $50 each! The 7.62x39mm is much more controlable than the 308 in an AK-type weapon as well - more rounds on target is a good thing.

Either way you're going to be better off than with the kel-tec. Not only is it not available, it's also not going to last as long as an AK, and if you break it, good luck finding replacement parts or someone who knows how to fix it if things really go south.

onetuza · September 14th, 2008, 08:25 PM

Thanks Mo, sounds like good advice.

KenpoTex · September 15th, 2008, 07:58 AM

ditto what MO said...go with an AK.

SIXTO · September 15th, 2008, 08:43 AM

Mo hit a homerun with his post, stick with a standard AK.

September 14th, 2008, 05:31 PM	#1
onetuza Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sebastian, Florida Posts: 43	Kel-tec RFB vs AK-47 I am hoping to add an "assault rifle" to my arsenal, not to be cool, nor as a range toy, but in case the SHTF in this country. I like the idea of lots of fire power with the .308. Funds are limited and while I am intrigued with the Kel-tec RFB in .308, the anticipated $1700-$1800 price range puts it out of my reach. Since I want it for crisis, not for the range, purchase price is important, ammo cost, not so much. I was wondering your opinions on some of the .308 AK-47's out there that are one third to one half the projected price of the RFB? (examples): Saiga AK 47 .308 Rifle AK47 RAK .308 Russian Rifle Any experience with one? Pro's & con's? __________________ "Good men don't need laws to tell them what to do and bad men will always find ways around the laws" -Plato http://www.freedom-force.org/ An Idea Whoes Time Has Come!

September 14th, 2008, 08:25 PM	#3
onetuza Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sebastian, Florida Posts: 43	Thanks Mo, sounds like good advice. __________________ "Good men don't need laws to tell them what to do and bad men will always find ways around the laws" -Plato http://www.freedom-force.org/ An Idea Whoes Time Has Come!

September 15th, 2008, 07:58 AM	#4
KenpoTex Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Springfield, Missouri Posts: 1,771	ditto what MO said...go with an AK. __________________ "There are no substitutes for violence of action and volume of fire..." ~Otto Skorzeny If you carry in Condition 3, you have two empty chambers. One in the weapon...the other between your ears. Matt K.

September 15th, 2008, 08:43 AM	#5
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Here and There Posts: 10,077	Mo hit a homerun with his post, stick with a standard AK. __________________ In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king. Wake Up! The zombie invasion has begun years ago.

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September 14th, 2008, 05:44 PM	#2
Mo Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 218	Saigas are good, and you can convert them back to military configuration fairly easily. I would consider a standard Saiga or other AK in 7.62x39mm if you're looking for a true SHTF gun. 308 is pretty powerful for that kind of work. You said ammo cost isn't a big deal, but you can stockpile 2000 rounds of 7.62x39mm for less than $400, and for $100 you can have 10 mags for it if you look around. Add $350 for the Saiga and $100 for compliance parts and you've invested less than $1000 in a gun you can put in your closet, cabin or truck and forget about until you need it (or the required parctice/training every once in a while, of course). You can even load the mags with ammo and store it in them. I load 25-27 rounds to keep from maxing out the springs, but good steel surplus mags will store like that for years without serious spring fatigue. The Saiga in 308 comes with low-capacity mags. High-cap (25-round) mags run about $50 each! The 7.62x39mm is much more controlable than the 308 in an AK-type weapon as well - more rounds on target is a good thing. Either way you're going to be better off than with the kel-tec. Not only is it not available, it's also not going to last as long as an AK, and if you break it, good luck finding replacement parts or someone who knows how to fix it if things really go south.