Shotguns For Home Defense? - Page 10

Guns and more · July 16th, 2009, 02:13 AM

Never being one to follow the crowd, I think the perfect H/D shotgun is a Mossberg 500 Cruiser in .410. Indeed. Mossberg even sells it as the "Home Defense" shotgun. Why, you ask? Well, it's small enough for a woman to handle without fear of recoil, and a .410 buckshot (#3, I believe) has 5 pellets the size of a .38 travelling at 1200'/sec. The pistol grip minimizes the size for maneuvering, and I don't think there's a lot of careful aiming when an intruder is coming towards you.
You guys with your turkey shooters will be banging into everything in the house with the barrel pointed at the ceiling.
I'm just saying.

64zebra · July 16th, 2009, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wjh2657

As far as needing an Assault Rifle for home defense, I measured my rooms and the furthest shot I could possibly need is 21 feet, more likely <15 feet! That is not rifle range, that is shotgun range. I sure would like to see some of these house you folks live in that you need an M-16 and good 200 yard dope to shoot across your living room! Man, your heating bills must be a bear! Learn to use the weapon that fits the situational environment.

BTW, I have been shooting field grade (Hunting) pump shotguns for over 54 years now and I have never seen one jam! I have seen them jam on skeet and trap courses, but those were usually autos and they were all closely machined fine tuned competition guns shooting less than field load power ammo.

On the pther hand, I have seen a whole passel of Semi-Auto military rifles jam without any good reason , although usually somehow ammo related. (exception to the rule was the AK-47 and unfortunately the BGs used that one!)

Bump in the night will continue to mean rack the slide on a 12 Gauge for this old Marine.

agreed on the ranges of engagement inside the house, nothing more devastating

on the jamming.....I've seen Remington pump shotguns jam and its pain in the rear, hence the reason the spoon should have the slot in it so you can use your pocket knife to work the shell out, I prefer the action on the Mossy
***disclaimer: this is not slamming Remington, I have an 870 as well as my Mossberg, and neither of them has experienced this issue, only seen other people's 870s do it, not saying a Mossy won't jam too
don't know if its just coincidence or if its only with the action on the 870...any others comment? experience?

64zebra · July 16th, 2009, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Guns and more

Never being one to follow the crowd, I think the perfect H/D shotgun is a Mossberg 500 Cruiser in .410. Indeed. Mossberg even sells it as the "Home Defense" shotgun. Why, you ask? Well, it's small enough for a woman to handle without fear of recoil, and a .410 buckshot (#3, I believe) has 5 pellets the size of a .38 travelling at 1200'/sec. The pistol grip minimizes the size for maneuvering, and I don't think there's a lot of careful aiming when an intruder is coming towards you.
You guys with your turkey shooters will be banging into everything in the house with the barrel pointed at the ceiling.
I'm just saying.

my brother and I wanted to get my mom a Mossy 410 but with her arthritus neither we or her thought she could easily handle/operate it
she just got a Saiga 410 and likes it, loaded 8rnd mag just cycles the handle and squeeze off rounds

as for the turkey shooters, something is better than nothing, but most folks with HD shotguns have Mossy or Remington 18 or 20 inch barrels, not 28" vent ribs

wjh2657 · July 16th, 2009, 07:26 AM

64zebra:

I own both Remingtons and Mossbergs but ole Master Gunny much prefers the Mossy 500 for bump in the night situations. The very thing that most folks ***** about, the loose shaking sound, is the reason why. Mossys are built like AK47s (my favorite military rifle, if you haven't already guessed!) loose tolerances to handle bad environments. I have carried Mossbergs in the field , hunting, since 1955. I have carried them in the worst of weather and treated them like unwanted stepchildren on hunting trips. They have never failed me. I'm not saying a Remington 870 wouldn't either, but I haven't carried mine as long as the Mossys and can't say for sure on the Remingtons. If there are two guns I will always own it is a Marlin 60 and a Mossberg 500 (not "braggin" guns, but utterly reliable, both of them.)

64zebra · July 16th, 2009, 12:07 PM

I like my Mossy 500 over the 870 also, but don't have a choice at work, has to be the 870

ExSoldier · August 16th, 2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brady

I sleep very well with this ol' gal leaning in the corner next to my bed at night!

If I get caught in my bedroom, there is no escape route.
There's five in the tube, 6 hanging on and a box of 10 on the night table (12ga). Also a 40S&W with 14 rounds and an extra mag at the ready. Everything else is in the safe, in my bedroom.

Now if I were to put a 'fridge in there too...
I'd be set!

Hey I had a tiny fridge when I was in college and we got the same for our kid for about $75 at Sears. Enough to hold a case of beer or a weeks worth of food. That's a beautiful shottie but I do personally detest the vertical forearm grips. Something about trying to get low enough and not being able to fire efficiently from a low position.

chopps · September 10th, 2009, 05:34 PM

Absolutly and here is my choice,
Saiga12 conversion and debating sbr'ing it as well.

Excuse the crappy magazine its been replaced by a black one.

but I do have mossbergs to.

alligator94 · September 10th, 2009, 09:50 PM

For those of you with pistol grip only shotguns, how do you find the accuracy with the recoil? I have been debating getting a pistol grip cruiser for a while but I am curious as to the range it is accurate to.

Bark'n · September 10th, 2009, 11:16 PM

My set up is similar to a lot here.

In the bedroom for last line of defense and hard hitting artillery is the Mossberg 590 sitting in the bedroom closet one step away from the bed. 20 rounds mounted on the gun and in the tube. (For zombie attack a 56 round bandoleer hangs on a hook next to it) A formidable way to say "Do Not Enter!"

Handgun is Glock-23 with M3 insight tac light mounted for night time duty. I prefer a hand held tac light for general searching and use so I have a 120 lumen led flashlight with a lanyard. Slip on the wrist and I can drop it and get two hand grip on Glock if needed.

My wife, especially when at home alone does a lot of cross stitch late at night while watching TV or is on computer. She has two pistols (usually revolvers) close by and prefers to have the AR-15 with collapsable stock and 30 rnd mag of Hornady TAP personal defense rounds sitting at the end of the sofa. Especially if I am out of town on a business trip.

Whatever she chooses to use is situational based on circumstances. If she's piddling around the back of the house doing laundry or such, she takes a pistol in a little fanny pack she slings over a shoulder and carries around with her.

Ram Rod · September 11th, 2009, 01:45 AM

Shotguns For Home Defense?
I like the notion actually. At one time, all I had was a Mossberg 500 in 20ga for home defense. If that's all you've got, then so be it. It's the best you have no matter what ammo you choose. For me though, the shotgun isn't my first line of defense now that I have pistol. Although less powerful, it's more adept to close quarters, and especially in the dark even in your own home. I would have nothing to say to anyone who would rely on the shotgun solely for the first or only line of defense. I've patterned shotguns on the open range over the years out to ten meters in my quest for patterns of various ammo mainly in 12ga, and I might say that what impresses me the most thus far is #2 steel shot out of my Remington 870 Express. It opens better, and sooner than 00 buck at close range (7-10m) in my experience and my observations.

July 16th, 2009, 07:26 AM	#94
wjh2657 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Lafayette, Tennessee Posts: 543	64zebra: I own both Remingtons and Mossbergs but ole Master Gunny much prefers the Mossy 500 for bump in the night situations. The very thing that most folks ***** about, the loose shaking sound, is the reason why. Mossys are built like AK47s (my favorite military rifle, if you haven't already guessed!) loose tolerances to handle bad environments. I have carried Mossbergs in the field , hunting, since 1955. I have carried them in the worst of weather and treated them like unwanted stepchildren on hunting trips. They have never failed me. I'm not saying a Remington 870 wouldn't either, but I haven't carried mine as long as the Mossys and can't say for sure on the Remingtons. If there are two guns I will always own it is a Marlin 60 and a Mossberg 500 (not "braggin" guns, but utterly reliable, both of them.) __________________ " A man has got to know his limitations!" Inspector Harry Callihan, SFPD

July 16th, 2009, 12:07 PM	#95
64zebra VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Panhandle of Texas Posts: 4,568	I like my Mossy 500 over the 870 also, but don't have a choice at work, has to be the 870 __________________ LEO & CHL Independence is declared; it must be maintained. Sam Houston-3/2/1836 HK45 G30\|21\|26\|17 KT P11 Moss500 Ithaca37 Savage20ga\|15A .22\|'99 25-35 AK47 AR15 Win3030 MN44 Rem 66\|870 GMBH67.22 If loose gun laws are good for criminals, why do criminals support gun control?

September 10th, 2009, 11:16 PM	#99
Bark'n VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 4,298	My set up is similar to a lot here. In the bedroom for last line of defense and hard hitting artillery is the Mossberg 590 sitting in the bedroom closet one step away from the bed. 20 rounds mounted on the gun and in the tube. (For zombie attack a 56 round bandoleer hangs on a hook next to it) A formidable way to say "Do Not Enter!" Handgun is Glock-23 with M3 insight tac light mounted for night time duty. I prefer a hand held tac light for general searching and use so I have a 120 lumen led flashlight with a lanyard. Slip on the wrist and I can drop it and get two hand grip on Glock if needed. My wife, especially when at home alone does a lot of cross stitch late at night while watching TV or is on computer. She has two pistols (usually revolvers) close by and prefers to have the AR-15 with collapsable stock and 30 rnd mag of Hornady TAP personal defense rounds sitting at the end of the sofa. Especially if I am out of town on a business trip. Whatever she chooses to use is situational based on circumstances. If she's piddling around the back of the house doing laundry or such, she takes a pistol in a little fanny pack she slings over a shoulder and carries around with her. __________________ -Bark'n Semper Fi "The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, will prey on those of us who without one, would surely perish."

September 11th, 2009, 01:45 AM	#100
Ram Rod VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: crawford county, arkansas Posts: 8,808	Shotguns For Home Defense? I like the notion actually. At one time, all I had was a Mossberg 500 in 20ga for home defense. If that's all you've got, then so be it. It's the best you have no matter what ammo you choose. For me though, the shotgun isn't my first line of defense now that I have pistol. Although less powerful, it's more adept to close quarters, and especially in the dark even in your own home. I would have nothing to say to anyone who would rely on the shotgun solely for the first or only line of defense. I've patterned shotguns on the open range over the years out to ten meters in my quest for patterns of various ammo mainly in 12ga, and I might say that what impresses me the most thus far is #2 steel shot out of my Remington 870 Express. It opens better, and sooner than 00 buck at close range (7-10m) in my experience and my observations. __________________ RamRod-----sans remords live, eat, breathe, sleep Glock

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July 16th, 2009, 02:13 AM	#91
Guns and more Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Fl Posts: 833	Never being one to follow the crowd, I think the perfect H/D shotgun is a Mossberg 500 Cruiser in .410. Indeed. Mossberg even sells it as the "Home Defense" shotgun. Why, you ask? Well, it's small enough for a woman to handle without fear of recoil, and a .410 buckshot (#3, I believe) has 5 pellets the size of a .38 travelling at 1200'/sec. The pistol grip minimizes the size for maneuvering, and I don't think there's a lot of careful aiming when an intruder is coming towards you. You guys with your turkey shooters will be banging into everything in the house with the barrel pointed at the ceiling. I'm just saying.

September 10th, 2009, 05:34 PM	#97
chopps Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: georgia Posts: 29	Absolutly and here is my choice, Saiga12 conversion and debating sbr'ing it as well. Excuse the crappy magazine its been replaced by a black one. but I do have mossbergs to.

September 10th, 2009, 09:50 PM	#98
alligator94 New Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 7	For those of you with pistol grip only shotguns, how do you find the accuracy with the recoil? I have been debating getting a pistol grip cruiser for a while but I am curious as to the range it is accurate to.