Shotguns For Home Defense? - Page 7

JPP · July 13th, 2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackeagle

I doubt it would be enough to inhibit shooting or tactical decision making skills. Soldiers in combat shoot indoors without ear protection all the time, and manage to stay in the fight. Long term hearing damage may be more of a concern (with a shotgun or pistol as well). Some folks I know keep a set of electronic hearing protection with their home-defense gun.

*** And +1 on the long term hearing loss. That is a big possibility.
But...... I guess I'd take that over long term life loss!

JP

JPP · July 13th, 2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ghost tracker

If my family is safe (away from home or behind me) I'll be in a defendable position, behind cover, waiting for LE help. There are no possessions in my home worth killing/dying over. My preference? A "social" Rem 870 with sights & a tact light.

*** Great point Ghost. The ONLY reason I'd be out and about in the house if there were an intruder would be to gather a spouse/child up to get everyone all together........ get cover and wait for the LEO's.
IF someone were to knock down the bedroom door then all bets are off....

JP

ExSoldier · July 13th, 2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JPP

*** Yea..... that's why I'm hoping to hear from someone who has actually experienced it first hand. I am curious if it is a bigger deal or a smaller deal than I think. JP

I have a 4% "notch" in the low frequency range from running military shoot houses during my active duty time. All we used was those little foam rubber ear plugs you buy for .50 cents. Chain of command decided that would be "enough" so that we could also talk on our radios. We used live ammo and live hand grenades in a special structure. At times, live C-4.

Weapons used included 45acp, M16, and the SEAL version M60. We weren't strictly special ops but we were at the time the army's High Tech Test Bed for all new equipment. WE had the Armed Dune Buggies before anybody else and WE were the primary decision makers for the HUMVEE. WE were the first outfit since Vietnam to dust off the MK19 and mount it on the dune buggies.

Anyway, the only thing I can say is that even with the itty bitty ear plugs, the noise was LOUD but we could function effectively. Still, I did have the permanent long term hearing loss, albeit not too much. I only manifest it when my wife wants me to do chores.

JPP · July 13th, 2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ExSoldier

Anyway, the only thing I can say is that even with the itty bitty ear plugs, the noise was LOUD but we could function effectively. Still, I did have the permanent long term hearing loss, albeit not too much. I only manifest it when my wife wants me to do chores.

** That's what I thought. Thanks for your input Sir (and your service) I live fired my AR at the range one time without ear protection "just to see" what it was like.

Man...... unbelievable how loud it was. Stupid thing to do but now I know. That's why I personally just don't see it as the best HD option. It is an awesome choice for some folks I'm sure, just not my First Choice.
(Just MHO folks...... you can beg to differ of course) I can't even imagine what it would do to my hearing to shoot that thing a few times inside my house. They say the adrenaline rush blocks it out and you don't remember the percussion..... but I would think after the fact you sure would.
Just my 1 cent folks (I used to be able to afford to give 2 cents)

JP

llongshot · July 13th, 2009, 04:08 PM

Nobody mentioned the mighty .410. Mossberg, I believe, made a home defense model designed for smaller framed shooters. There are buckshot loads and slugs for the .410. I think three to five 000 buck and the slug approximates a .45. With the buck lined up in a row in the .410 I can't help but think they'll only spread a little at HD distance.

I've gotta say that if you clearing your home you've gone past home defense. Now you're in cop mode and unless you have the training are well over your head. Set up your home and home defense weapons to make it as easy as you can to protect those you love. Possessions be damned. If it happens in the middle of the night and I can protect the people I love by staying in the bedroom and shouting "I have a gun!" I'll dial 911 and listen to them loading my stuff all night or until law enforcement shows up.

Smokinbbl · July 13th, 2009, 04:14 PM

I dont know alot.. but I have a Maverick 88 from mossburg with 3" mag in 00b.. I would like to get a pistol grip, a Tac light with it and a shorter barel. maybe a m4 stock for it!

I have 2 kids 10/8 with a split bedroom floor plan. The more I think of it.. I wish the kids where on the same side as me and the wife.

I might change my first two rounds to a lighter load because of over penetration. I have a .45, and a .38 but I think the 12gs is the best for me.

But I think the number one reason is the sound of the pump action that cant be beat.

Good thread

James

2ndsupporter · July 13th, 2009, 04:27 PM

The Taurus Judge will do it!

HKtexas · July 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM

Nothing can make you feel warm and fuzzy in the middle of the night like a 12 gauge pump by your bed. Seriously, I dont think you can beat a 18 in pump for home protection.

Thanis · July 13th, 2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by llongshot

Nobody mentioned the mighty .410...

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Originally Posted by 2ndsupporter

The Taurus Judge will do it!

So would a .22 LR. I don't want to be shot by one.

If the .410 was so effective for SD, I would think you would see it in use more by LEO. Now you have a .410 from a pistol. Just not sure anymore if the judge is practical or gimmick.

edr9x23super · July 13th, 2009, 05:30 PM

Oh, man all this talk and the pics people posted of their hardware are making me blush......(that is my wifes' words reading this thread!)

Seriously, my take is definitely Shotgun all the way. Benelli or Remington, either can light up your BG in style....

And no .223 or even a subgun can concentrate the kind of massive firepower a good semi-auto 12 gauge can.

July 13th, 2009, 04:14 PM	#66
Smokinbbl Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 34	I dont know alot.. but I have a Maverick 88 from mossburg with 3" mag in 00b.. I would like to get a pistol grip, a Tac light with it and a shorter barel. maybe a m4 stock for it! I have 2 kids 10/8 with a split bedroom floor plan. The more I think of it.. I wish the kids where on the same side as me and the wife. I might change my first two rounds to a lighter load because of over penetration. I have a .45, and a .38 but I think the 12gs is the best for me. But I think the number one reason is the sound of the pump action that cant be beat. Good thread James __________________ Active Duty Air Force NRA Life Member CCW

July 13th, 2009, 04:27 PM	#67
2ndsupporter Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 629	The Taurus Judge will do it! __________________ [One Nation Under God]

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edr9x23super Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,736	Oh, man all this talk and the pics people posted of their hardware are making me blush......(that is my wifes' words reading this thread!) Seriously, my take is definitely Shotgun all the way. Benelli or Remington, either can light up your BG in style.... And no .223 or even a subgun can concentrate the kind of massive firepower a good semi-auto 12 gauge can. __________________ "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry

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July 13th, 2009, 04:08 PM	#65
llongshot Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Deep Southern Illinois Posts: 277	Nobody mentioned the mighty .410. Mossberg, I believe, made a home defense model designed for smaller framed shooters. There are buckshot loads and slugs for the .410. I think three to five 000 buck and the slug approximates a .45. With the buck lined up in a row in the .410 I can't help but think they'll only spread a little at HD distance. I've gotta say that if you clearing your home you've gone past home defense. Now you're in cop mode and unless you have the training are well over your head. Set up your home and home defense weapons to make it as easy as you can to protect those you love. Possessions be damned. If it happens in the middle of the night and I can protect the people I love by staying in the bedroom and shouting "I have a gun!" I'll dial 911 and listen to them loading my stuff all night or until law enforcement shows up.

July 13th, 2009, 04:50 PM	#68
HKtexas Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: texas Posts: 75	Nothing can make you feel warm and fuzzy in the middle of the night like a 12 gauge pump by your bed. Seriously, I dont think you can beat a 18 in pump for home protection.