assault rifle vs battle rifle

Thanis · June 30th, 2009, 05:57 AM

If I were to say a 5.56x45 (.223) is an assault rifle caliber and 7.62x51 (.308) is a battle rifle caliber, would that make any sense?

Ram Rod · June 30th, 2009, 06:01 AM

Almost in my opinion. I would replace the words caliber with cartridge though. Where would you categorize a 7.62x39? Your terms 'assault' and 'battle' would relate to short range vs. long range?
By the way.....do you ever sleep? LOL!

( I just went to WM and bought ammo at 3am!) Got up at 11:30pm and couldn't go back to sleep. Off to work in a few minutes)

buckeyeLCPL · June 30th, 2009, 06:04 AM

Yes, that would make complete sense to me. In my mind some assault rifles are: M-16 and variants, G36, AK-74, LA85, FAMAS, ect... And battles rifles would be the FAL, G3, M-14, ect... But maybe that is just in my head.

In my mind its not just caliber though, the weapon has to be able to accurately engage human sized targets at 500 yards, which is why the AK-47 and SKS, while having a round that is above .30 cal in diameter, don't fall into the battle rifle class.

Thanis · June 30th, 2009, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ram Rod

...By the way.....do you ever sleep? LOL!...

Lately no. I'm suffering from insomnia related unemployment. I was getting down trying to keep a 8 to 5 mindset. Changed things up a bit, and has helped me stay focused, as I think a 3 to 4 hour a day job search is all I can take.

I went to a two times a day four hour sleep periods. Has worked, but after the 4th, I need to just go back to a more normal pattern, as I'm starting to only get 4 hours a day, then 2 - 4 hours of toss and turn. Hard to go back though, because the one nice result has been renewed focus on searching.

Thanis · June 30th, 2009, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ram Rod

...I would replace the words caliber with cartridge though...

I see. Caliber is more to do with the round size and is more of hand gun term? Cartridge more often used in rifle conversations?

Rob72 · June 30th, 2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Thanis

I see. Caliber is more to do with the round size and is more of hand gun term? Cartridge more often used in rifle conversations?

Not quite- "caliber" is round size; "cartridge" simply refers to any loaded round of ammunition.

Currently, "assault rifle" means something operating within (roughly) 100-400 yards, and a "battle rifle" would reach from 100 to 800 (possibly a full 1000, depending on who you converse with.)

Assault rifle- think urban warfare.
Battle rifle- think extended range.

Post-Vietnam, there is little meaning to "battle rifle", since most modern armies utilize the .30 cal. as a "specialized" rifleman's platform.

SIGguy229 · June 30th, 2009, 01:33 PM

Both are semi-automatic rifles....why not leave it at that?

The rest is a matter of opinion and perspective--It's a rifle...it cannot battle or assault anyone. Yet people who are anti-gun love to use these descriptions to make the semi-automatic rifle appear "evil".

Thanis · June 30th, 2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SIGguy229

Both are semi-automatic rifles....why not leave it at that?

The rest is a matter of opinion and perspective--It's a rifle...it cannot battle or assault anyone. Yet people who are anti-gun love to use these descriptions to make the semi-automatic rifle appear "evil".

Don't call them black talons, their ranger rounds. I guess it has worked in that case.

For example the home SD shotgun, or is it a tactical, police, tench, combat, riot, military grade, etc. Most of the time it is all the same stogun.

I respect your opinion, and your right, it is what the anti-gun uses, words. At the same time I think by trying to hide such definitions, you might be making it into a dirty word. It is better they try and define something with a word and be taken apart, and able to demonstrate, it is just a word, that would include a hunting rifle if as defined.

Is Gun or Rifle a bad word? Maybe firearm is also the wrong word to? Maybe we should call them peace makers? I don't think you can win the name game with firearms (well, don't call something a cop killer, etc). By their nature, they are what they are. It is like trying to call a sword a large knife. It is what it is, with many possible definations.

JD · June 30th, 2009, 09:53 PM

DUH!

Peacemakers were Colts.

Regarding the Battle rifle, assault weapon...the term IMHO is interchangeable in current use, do I agree with the usage, no. They are just rifles and caliber doesn't matter that much by political definition, I could outfit a 10/22 to be classified by the Clinton AWB as being an assault weapon.

In actual, real life instances, I don't think there is anything that I would call an "assault weapon" just guns with different options. Handguns, rifles, shotguns, FA.

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SD shotgun, or is it a tactical, police, tench, combat, riot, military grade, etc. Most of the time it is all the same stogun.

That's not quite correct.

Tactical: Usually allows the attachment of silly, sometimes necessary gadgets.
Police: Remington does have a "Police" model.
Riot: That one is pretty interchangeable, as most police shotguns were referred to as riot guns.
Combat: Not all shotguns are "Combat" shotguns, take a single bbl, break action .410.
Military Grade Not all shotguns are military grade.
Trench: This refers to the WWI era Winchester pump guns, a Browning 20g over and under is not a trench gun.

Can't we just debate Clip vs. Magazine like we used to?

Thanis · June 30th, 2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JD

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Tactical: Usually allows the attachment of silly, sometimes necessary gadgets.
Police: Remington does have a "Police" model.
Riot: That one is pretty interchangeable, as most police shotguns were referred to as riot guns.
Combat: Not all shotguns are "Combat" shotguns, take a single bbl, break action .410.
Military Grade Not all shotguns are military grade.
Trench: This refers to the WWI era Winchester pump guns, a Browning 20g over and under is not a trench gun.

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I admit I had not considered tactical does tend to include adding attachments. Still, all something someone might consider a home SD shotgun.

June 30th, 2009, 05:57 AM	#1
Thanis Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,699	assault rifle vs battle rifle If I were to say a 5.56x45 (.223) is an assault rifle caliber and 7.62x51 (.308) is a battle rifle caliber, would that make any sense? __________________ NRA Member S&W 642 (no-lock) with .38 Spl +P 135 GR Gold GDHP Glock G31 & G33 with .357 Sig 125 GR. SXT Winchester Ranger

June 30th, 2009, 06:01 AM	#2
Ram Rod VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: crawford county, arkansas Posts: 8,637	Almost in my opinion. I would replace the words caliber with cartridge though. Where would you categorize a 7.62x39? Your terms 'assault' and 'battle' would relate to short range vs. long range? By the way.....do you ever sleep? LOL! ( I just went to WM and bought ammo at 3am!) Got up at 11:30pm and couldn't go back to sleep. Off to work in a few minutes) __________________ RamRod-----sans remords live, eat, breathe, sleep Glock

June 30th, 2009, 06:04 AM	#3
buckeyeLCPL VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 2,888	Yes, that would make complete sense to me. In my mind some assault rifles are: M-16 and variants, G36, AK-74, LA85, FAMAS, ect... And battles rifles would be the FAL, G3, M-14, ect... But maybe that is just in my head. In my mind its not just caliber though, the weapon has to be able to accurately engage human sized targets at 500 yards, which is why the AK-47 and SKS, while having a round that is above .30 cal in diameter, don't fall into the battle rifle class. __________________ Fortes Fortuna Juvat We're mules lad. Mules that kill. TJR

June 30th, 2009, 01:33 PM	#7
SIGguy229 VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kabul, Afghanistan Posts: 2,263	Both are semi-automatic rifles....why not leave it at that? The rest is a matter of opinion and perspective--It's a rifle...it cannot battle or assault anyone. Yet people who are anti-gun love to use these descriptions to make the semi-automatic rifle appear "evil". __________________ Patriotic dissent is a luxury of those protected by better men than they Sacrifice: Congress thinks having to stay late to vote is sacrifice. Ask the Sailor, Soldier, Airman, or Marine meeting his child for the first time what sacrifice means martyr is a fancy name for crappy fighter

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