Home defense shotgun advice - Page 3

Brady · July 1st, 2009, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atctimmy

As long as it has a full stock and not just a pistol grip I'd say go for it. The persuader is a heavy hitter and a very, very good HD shotgun.

(note the use of two very's)

Verily, verily it is an excellent choice!

Don't they usually come in a kit, with both the full stock and 'just a pistol grip'?
Best "with a full stock" + or - the pistol grip.

BamaSteve · July 1st, 2009, 01:37 PM

I saw online that there is a Persuader at Academy for $289 that comes with a full stock and pistol grip. I might get that and then purchase a stock/grip combo with some extra shell holders. Also a sling if it doesn't come with one.

varob · July 1st, 2009, 02:09 PM

I use a Rem. 870 with 20" brl. Surefire forend/light Knoxx stock and a side saddle and sling. I have $1000 + in it. If I did it over, I would have gone with a VangComp 12g. they come with most of this stuff,and I wouldn't have a box full of after market parts.

SubNine · July 1st, 2009, 02:26 PM

Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590 with an 18" barrel will be sufficient for home defense either in 12 or 20 gauge. I personally won't go with anything else other than 12 gauge, but that is just me. If recoil is an issue for you, there are reduced recoil loads available. The 870 and 500 are probably the most two popular pump action shotguns around with near infinite aftermarket accessories. I chose to replace my 870 with a Benelli Super Nova Tactical as my primary HD weapon. For the price you get a lot of gun with the Super Nova,

Ghost ring sights
Polymer coated steel receiver that resists rust and corrosion
Chrome lined bore
Ability to field strip without tools (except have to remove the stock to remove trigger group)

Accessories for the Super Nova are much more limited than the 870 and Mossberg 500, but there isn't much that is needed other than maybe a mag tube extension.

TSKnight · July 4th, 2009, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zacii

Since we're talking about shotguns... Has anyone fired rifled slugs from an 18" IC smoothbore shotgun, using only a bead front sight? If so, then how accurate could you fire it? 25 feet? 50 yds? I'm asking because I'm considering a barrel for my 870 for HD and am trying to decide between the 18" barrel or the 20" IC barrel with iron sights.

I've used slugs in an 18.5" "Cruiser" bbl on a Mossburg 500 for years, and with some practice have been able to keep 5 shot groups @ 50yds on a 9" paper plate. The trick for me is getting my head down so I can 'sight' along the bbl using the front bead as a guide. I made it a little easier to get a quick sight by putting a "True-Glo" front bead in place of the original brass bead.

P.S. I use the cheap Winchester foster slugs. The premium and sabot slugs don't seem to be any more accurate from the smooth-bore.

Hope this helps.

Tracy

digitalexplr · July 4th, 2009, 06:16 PM

I was going to go with the 870 until I handled the Mossbery 590a1. Pretty much love at first site.

I've got the 18.5" barrel, it's 5 +1 and shoots like a dream.

Slugs out of the 18.5" barrel are no problem with the standard bead out to 25 yards. 25 to 50 yards is pretty much shooter dependent. Farther than that and you want to go with better sites for sure.

Bottom line you can not go wrong with either the Rem 870 or Mossy 500/590. Handle them both and go with the one that feels best.

As for the pistol grip, if you do not have a full stock you will find your accuracy just plain sucks at more than about 10 yards, and not much better closer. They may look "tacti cool" but you will be betting your life on the effectiveness. What's your life worth?

JohnWFD · July 4th, 2009, 07:45 PM

I have a Maverick Security 88, 8 shot, 12 guage with a pistol grip full stock, heat shield with ghost sites, and flashlight mount. All for around $325

Why spend a lot of money when the gun is hopefully going to collect dust in standby mode.

MedPig · July 4th, 2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalexplr

I was going to go with the 870 until I handled the Mossbery 590a1. Pretty much love at first site.

I've got the 18.5" barrel, it's 5 +1 and shoots like a dream.

Slugs out of the 18.5" barrel are no problem with the standard bead out to 25 yards. 25 to 50 yards is pretty much shooter dependent. Farther than that and you want to go with better sites for sure.

Bottom line you can not go wrong with either the Rem 870 or Mossy 500/590. Handle them both and go with the one that feels best.

As for the pistol grip, if you do not have a full stock you will find your accuracy just plain sucks at more than about 10 yards, and not much better closer. They may look "tacti cool" but you will be betting your life on the effectiveness. What's your life worth?

I have the 590 Compact Cruiser with the Breacher tip. Granted, I won't be using it to blow doors, but it also would hurt like hell if used as an impact weapon. I don't mind the pistol grip, it's a good fallback gun for my GF to use. (Lock bedroom door, fire on anything coming in without the secret word, etc.)

ront · July 6th, 2009, 09:10 PM

This is my set up. It is the Mossberg Persuader with the Knoxx stock. I like it a lot.

Ron

retsupt99 · July 6th, 2009, 09:22 PM

I've waited all these posts to make my suggeston. I know you said pump, but as a different option to consider...

I have a Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme (in 12 ga.) as my HD gun.
Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme in 12-Gauge

I'm still armed with my Kimber at home, but I can pull out the 'initial welcome wagon' for the individual(s) kicking in a door or window...then Mr. Kimber comes calling.

I had the gun reworked for smooth operation and ease of ejecting shells. I can shoot and reload fairly quickly.

How many shots do you need at home?
OMO and I know others will vary a lot!

July 1st, 2009, 01:37 PM	#22
BamaSteve Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 663	I saw online that there is a Persuader at Academy for $289 that comes with a full stock and pistol grip. I might get that and then purchase a stock/grip combo with some extra shell holders. Also a sling if it doesn't come with one. __________________ Smith & Wesson M&P9cCrossbreed Supertuck EDC Light:Nitecore EX10 R2 EDC Knife:Remington Sportsman Series “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” --Thomas Jefferson 1816

July 1st, 2009, 02:09 PM	#23
varob Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,210	I use a Rem. 870 with 20" brl. Surefire forend/light Knoxx stock and a side saddle and sling. I have $1000 + in it. If I did it over, I would have gone with a VangComp 12g. they come with most of this stuff,and I wouldn't have a box full of after market parts. __________________ Don't believe what you hear and only half of what you see! -Tony Soprano

July 1st, 2009, 02:26 PM	#24
SubNine Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anchorage Alaska Posts: 1,630	Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590 with an 18" barrel will be sufficient for home defense either in 12 or 20 gauge. I personally won't go with anything else other than 12 gauge, but that is just me. If recoil is an issue for you, there are reduced recoil loads available. The 870 and 500 are probably the most two popular pump action shotguns around with near infinite aftermarket accessories. I chose to replace my 870 with a Benelli Super Nova Tactical as my primary HD weapon. For the price you get a lot of gun with the Super Nova, Ghost ring sights Polymer coated steel receiver that resists rust and corrosion Chrome lined bore Ability to field strip without tools (except have to remove the stock to remove trigger group) Accessories for the Super Nova are much more limited than the 870 and Mossberg 500, but there isn't much that is needed other than maybe a mag tube extension. __________________ USMC rule # 23 of gunfighting: Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet. Check out blog reviews of the guns I own at, http://www.myspace.com/akgunnut

July 4th, 2009, 06:16 PM	#26
digitalexplr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jefferson City, MO Posts: 638	I was going to go with the 870 until I handled the Mossbery 590a1. Pretty much love at first site. I've got the 18.5" barrel, it's 5 +1 and shoots like a dream. Slugs out of the 18.5" barrel are no problem with the standard bead out to 25 yards. 25 to 50 yards is pretty much shooter dependent. Farther than that and you want to go with better sites for sure. Bottom line you can not go wrong with either the Rem 870 or Mossy 500/590. Handle them both and go with the one that feels best. As for the pistol grip, if you do not have a full stock you will find your accuracy just plain sucks at more than about 10 yards, and not much better closer. They may look "tacti cool" but you will be betting your life on the effectiveness. What's your life worth? __________________ XD9sc XD40 Service Mossberg 590a1 NRA Life Member

July 6th, 2009, 09:10 PM	#29
ront Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 610	This is my set up. It is the Mossberg Persuader with the Knoxx stock. I like it a lot. Ron __________________ Shine on... S&W M&P .40 Compact Taurus Raging Bull .454 Casull Kel Tec P3AT; Walther P22 Mossberg 500 Persuader http://kdholsters.com/

July 4th, 2009, 07:45 PM	#27
JohnWFD Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 72	I have a Maverick Security 88, 8 shot, 12 guage with a pistol grip full stock, heat shield with ghost sites, and flashlight mount. All for around $325 Why spend a lot of money when the gun is hopefully going to collect dust in standby mode.

July 6th, 2009, 09:22 PM	#30
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 22,405	I've waited all these posts to make my suggeston. I know you said pump, but as a different option to consider... I have a Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme (in 12 ga.) as my HD gun. Stoeger Coach Gun Supreme in 12-Gauge I'm still armed with my Kimber at home, but I can pull out the 'initial welcome wagon' for the individual(s) kicking in a door or window...then Mr. Kimber comes calling. I had the gun reworked for smooth operation and ease of ejecting shells. I can shoot and reload fairly quickly. How many shots do you need at home? OMO and I know others will vary a lot! __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

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