AR-10 vs M1A & AK-47 - Page 2

Thanis · July 2nd, 2009, 02:22 AM

FYI...in regards to my OP, just trying to learn a bit. I don't have many friends who own these types of firearms (hunters and handgunners, but even those in the military / LEO that I know don't talk much about these types of firearms). I don't have the funds to get a hands on feel, etc. Sorry if my OP comes off as a statement, I'm just trying to have th replies hit various topics I don't know enough about or just don't understand.

For example, I had no idea the AR-10 would be considered easier to maintain and more accurate than the M1A.

I thought AR-10 was, in general, a 7.62x51mm / .308 chambered firearm (the 7.62x51mm / .308 version of a AR-15). Is this correct?

Why I included the AK, is because when you read various threads, these firearms are compared.

Thank you for the replies.

Fred · July 2nd, 2009, 04:04 AM

If you want the very best you could spring for the Knight's Armament SR-25.

Knight's Armament SR-25, Stoner Rifle 25, 308 Caliber, SASS

Rob72 · July 2nd, 2009, 10:23 AM

It depends on what you want and what you want to do. Frankly, I wouldn't buy an M14 pattern- overpriced and hellishly expensive repair/replacement (in comparison).

Unless you're talking match chambers, 7.62x51 and .308 are (generally) interchangable.

For the money, the FAL or a PTR G3 clone are as good as, and again depending on your wants/needs, possibly better than the AR10. Parts are far cheaper, repair is easier, mags are less expensive. Don't worry about 30 round mags in 30 caliber- 99% of us can't afford that much ammo, and the range and accuracy should be allowing you to engage farther and deeper than the "assault rifle" calibers.

The 7.62x39 equates to the 5.56 (but in no way to the 7.62x51) in overall performance- they were designed with the same envelope in mind.

SatCong · July 2nd, 2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Thanis

For example, I had no idea the AR-10 would be considered easier to maintain and more accurate than the M1A.

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It's not.If the AR or M1A are built right they run great, you get what you pay for.The FAL's are great battle rifles but some companies are not doing their job when building them.Do your home work.

bmcgilvray · July 2nd, 2009, 11:50 AM

I'd pick the M1A from the three listed if I needed a foxhole companion. I know little about an AR 10 but am not enamored with the AR design overall. The 7.62X39 makes more sense as an intermediate cartridge than the .223 in my view but the rifles for which it is chambered don't have the accuracy reputation and it doesn't offer the long range punch of the bigger .30.

My plain-jain, unfooled-with M1A offers really wonderful accuracy from the bench rest or the firing line of a high power shoot. It has always given dependable service over extended shooting sessions. It also has proved to be surprisingly reliable with efforts to develop minimal "powder-puff" loads that are crazy light, giving reliable function even while sounding like a pump shotgun being cycled. It is a good dependable rifle.

Wildboarem · July 3rd, 2009, 07:51 PM

Ok. Now I have to throw in the FNAR chambered in .308. Semi- auto with bolt action accuracy. FN's platform is pretty good, I've been looking for a .30 semi and I'm leang for the FNAR. What say u?

ghost tracker · July 20th, 2009, 02:36 PM

FNAR getting great reviews, haven't shot one. M1A is the .308 benchmark by which all are measured, there's a reason for that. FNFAL is my personal favorite for purely subjective reasons. PTR G3 (aka; Cetme, HK91) is as good as either but doesn't handle as well for me. AR10 loses most of the best AR15 advantages as it grows bigger/heavier so I don't see the up-side. AKs are what they are, but they ARE NOT .308 Battle Rifles.

dukalmighty · July 20th, 2009, 03:08 PM

I have an Eagle Arms (Armalite) AR10,I shoot it occassionally and have about 1200 rounds of surplus 7.62x51 ammo,The gun is great for longer ranges and the gas system helps tame the recoil,M1A's are just plain sexy and were used predominantly in long range matches for decades.I think it boils down to what makes your heart twitter,some guys like skinny girls and some guys like girls you can grip

cvhoss · July 20th, 2009, 03:26 PM

Sorry I can't offer any advice as I've never owned any of them, but if money were no object, I'd love to have one of these.

Hoss

Cuda66 · July 20th, 2009, 04:29 PM

I've got an AK (Norinco 56s), a AR-10 (DPMS), and have had lots of trigger time with M1A's...and of the three, I'd take the AR-10 if I could only choose 1.

First, the AK falls away for the cartridge; I'd much prefer .308 over 7.62x39.

The M1A falls away for ergonomics; magazine release, safety, everything just is (to me) more intuitive. Then again, I've also got lots of trigger time with AR-15's, as well.

Add on the Ar-10 is easier and much less expensive to customize, and it takes the easy lead.

Although, if I had my druthers over which .308 battle rifle, I'd prefer the HK91/PTR series any day.

July 2nd, 2009, 02:22 AM	#11
Thanis Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: MI Posts: 1,699	FYI...in regards to my OP, just trying to learn a bit. I don't have many friends who own these types of firearms (hunters and handgunners, but even those in the military / LEO that I know don't talk much about these types of firearms). I don't have the funds to get a hands on feel, etc. Sorry if my OP comes off as a statement, I'm just trying to have th replies hit various topics I don't know enough about or just don't understand. For example, I had no idea the AR-10 would be considered easier to maintain and more accurate than the M1A. I thought AR-10 was, in general, a 7.62x51mm / .308 chambered firearm (the 7.62x51mm / .308 version of a AR-15). Is this correct? Why I included the AK, is because when you read various threads, these firearms are compared. Thank you for the replies. __________________ NRA Member S&W 642 (no-lock) with .38 Spl +P 135 GR Gold GDHP Glock G31 & G33 with .357 Sig 125 GR. SXT Winchester Ranger

July 2nd, 2009, 04:04 AM	#12
Fred Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: PNW Posts: 129	If you want the very best you could spring for the Knight's Armament SR-25. Knight's Armament SR-25, Stoner Rifle 25, 308 Caliber, SASS __________________ There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. - General Smedley Butler Romans 1:22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves].

July 20th, 2009, 02:36 PM	#17
ghost tracker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ky Backwoods Posts: 1,149	FNAR getting great reviews, haven't shot one. M1A is the .308 benchmark by which all are measured, there's a reason for that. FNFAL is my personal favorite for purely subjective reasons. PTR G3 (aka; Cetme, HK91) is as good as either but doesn't handle as well for me. AR10 loses most of the best AR15 advantages as it grows bigger/heavier so I don't see the up-side. AKs are what they are, but they ARE NOT .308 Battle Rifles. __________________ There are only *TWO* kinds of people in this world; those that describe the world as filled with two kinds of people...and those who don't.

July 20th, 2009, 03:08 PM	#18
dukalmighty VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: texas Posts: 6,301	I have an Eagle Arms (Armalite) AR10,I shoot it occassionally and have about 1200 rounds of surplus 7.62x51 ammo,The gun is great for longer ranges and the gas system helps tame the recoil,M1A's are just plain sexy and were used predominantly in long range matches for decades.I think it boils down to what makes your heart twitter,some guys like skinny girls and some guys like girls you can grip __________________ I like Poetry,Long Walks On The Beach,And Poking Dead Things With A Stick

July 20th, 2009, 03:26 PM	#19
cvhoss Distinguished Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,762	Sorry I can't offer any advice as I've never owned any of them, but if money were no object, I'd love to have one of these. Hoss __________________ I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I always was Sig 239 SAS 40 S&W / Sig 239 9mm / Kahr PM-9 / Walther PPS .40 / Sig P-245 / Ruger LCP Beretta Tomcat / Walther PPK / BDA 380 / Taurus 85 / Kel-Tec PF-9 / Am. Derringer 357 NRA Life Member My Web Site

July 2nd, 2009, 10:23 AM	#13
Rob72 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: OK Posts: 3,468	It depends on what you want and what you want to do. Frankly, I wouldn't buy an M14 pattern- overpriced and hellishly expensive repair/replacement (in comparison). Unless you're talking match chambers, 7.62x51 and .308 are (generally) interchangable. For the money, the FAL or a PTR G3 clone are as good as, and again depending on your wants/needs, possibly better than the AR10. Parts are far cheaper, repair is easier, mags are less expensive. Don't worry about 30 round mags in 30 caliber- 99% of us can't afford that much ammo, and the range and accuracy should be allowing you to engage farther and deeper than the "assault rifle" calibers. The 7.62x39 equates to the 5.56 (but in no way to the 7.62x51) in overall performance- they were designed with the same envelope in mind.

July 2nd, 2009, 11:50 AM	#15
bmcgilvray Distinguished Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,727	I'd pick the M1A from the three listed if I needed a foxhole companion. I know little about an AR 10 but am not enamored with the AR design overall. The 7.62X39 makes more sense as an intermediate cartridge than the .223 in my view but the rifles for which it is chambered don't have the accuracy reputation and it doesn't offer the long range punch of the bigger .30. My plain-jain, unfooled-with M1A offers really wonderful accuracy from the bench rest or the firing line of a high power shoot. It has always given dependable service over extended shooting sessions. It also has proved to be surprisingly reliable with efforts to develop minimal "powder-puff" loads that are crazy light, giving reliable function even while sounding like a pump shotgun being cycled. It is a good dependable rifle.

July 3rd, 2009, 07:51 PM	#16
Wildboarem New Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 13	Ok. Now I have to throw in the FNAR chambered in .308. Semi- auto with bolt action accuracy. FN's platform is pretty good, I've been looking for a .30 semi and I'm leang for the FNAR. What say u?

July 20th, 2009, 04:29 PM	#20
Cuda66 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: minnesota Posts: 463	I've got an AK (Norinco 56s), a AR-10 (DPMS), and have had lots of trigger time with M1A's...and of the three, I'd take the AR-10 if I could only choose 1. First, the AK falls away for the cartridge; I'd much prefer .308 over 7.62x39. The M1A falls away for ergonomics; magazine release, safety, everything just is (to me) more intuitive. Then again, I've also got lots of trigger time with AR-15's, as well. Add on the Ar-10 is easier and much less expensive to customize, and it takes the easy lead. Although, if I had my druthers over which .308 battle rifle, I'd prefer the HK91/PTR series any day. __________________ One man's theology is another man's belly laugh. --RAH

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