AR-10 vs M1A & AK-47 - Page 3

Thanis · July 20th, 2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuda66

...Add on the Ar-10 is easier and much less expensive to customize, and it takes the easy lead. Although, if I had my druthers over which .308 battle rifle, I'd prefer the HK91/PTR series any day.

Why HK91 over AR-10?

Cuda66 · July 20th, 2009, 06:11 PM

Mainly because of intangibles...for some reason, HK91's just plain work for me; they shoulder great, I love the sights, I've never met one that I can't hit what I want to with, and...I think--though I have no concrete evidence--that they have a edge in reliability.

And, to be dead truthfull...I just have a thing for HK's, in the same way some people have a thing for M1A's, AK's, whatever.

Like I said, intangibles. A good M1A, AR-10, FAL, or HK91 are all, really, going to be pretty darn equal on the field...it just comes down to what one prefers.

HotGuns · July 20th, 2009, 10:56 PM

The only advantage of the AR-10 is that it infinitely customizable whereas on the HK after market parts are pretty limited.

Plus, the scope mount leaves a bit to be desired.

edr9x23super · July 20th, 2009, 11:12 PM

I have to agree with HotGuns on this one;

In a fight, I would rather have the AR-10 due not oly to the superiority of the .308 round ballistically, but the pure simple fact that any AR platform is faster in a fight to reload and get back on target than any AK, a fact I have proven myself on occasion....

cphilip · July 21st, 2009, 12:11 AM

Rob72 · July 21st, 2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Cuda66

Mainly because of intangibles...for some reason, HK91's just plain work for me; they shoulder great, I love the sights, I've never met one that I can't hit what I want to with, and...I think--though I have no concrete evidence--that they have a edge in reliability.

I don't know about "no concrete evidence." When it comes to geting dunked, in pretty much anything, and still running, the 91 (and the FAL) have far and away better service reps than the AR system the world over. When you see turd world goobers waving their phallic symbols in the air, they are AKs, FALs or 91s. Not that the AR doesn't work, its just more maintenance sensitive.

Back to the 91 specifically: yes, the sights are superlative, close or long range. No gas system=maximum power to the projectile. Trigger pack is easy to work, and comparatively cheap.

shooterX · July 21st, 2009, 12:44 PM

If I had the funds I would buy a M1A scout squad or SOCOM II.

Cuda66 · July 21st, 2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob72

I don't know about "no concrete evidence." When it comes to geting dunked, in pretty much anything, and still running, the 91 (and the FAL) have far and away better service reps than the AR system the world over. When you see turd world goobers waving their phallic symbols in the air, they are AKs, FALs or 91s. Not that the AR doesn't work, its just more maintenance sensitive.

Back to the 91 specifically: yes, the sights are superlative, close or long range. No gas system=maximum power to the projectile. Trigger pack is easy to work, and comparatively cheap.

By that I mean--I have no personal evidence in testing to failure of either an AR (direct gas impingement) or HK (roller-locked) systems; I gave up after about 2500 rounds through an AR15 with no failures (good lord was that rifle dirty), and I tend to baby my HK/PTR's (get cleaned after every outing).

pico · July 21st, 2009, 11:17 PM

I have the M1A, CETME pre ban, SAIGA .308, and H&K91(not clone). If I needed this type of rifle for trudging thru the woods for great distances, my choice would be hands down the Saiga. It has the 16" carbine barrel and has been tarted up with the TAPCO furniture. If I was shooting at targets from great distances, my M1A with leatherwood Camputer scope is just the ticket. If I want the best of both, the CETME and H&K91 cannot be beat. My M1A has a Douglas heavy barrel and McMillan stock. For a build job that is around $3500, this is not bad. The H&K 91 has good sights, and the surplus german scopes are a great buy these days... even though the prices are spiking.

I have heard nothing good about the AR-10 rifles, as they are not durable enough. I have not had any experiance with them, but from the reputation they have in my neck of the woods, I would pass.

I love the H&K91, and would strongly recommend this. It will perform well and the parts and mags are still cheap. I have a coomplete parts set for both the CETME and 91, but have not had to replace a thing as these seem pretty damn near indestructible.

As for the AK, I would skip on these and go with the SKS. They are a bit more accurate and are nearly as easy to maintain as an AK. They also make great rifles for younger shooters.

douggr · July 22nd, 2009, 12:17 AM

Just an FYI...

Saiga, which is made by the same company that makes the AK, makes a semi-auto AK in .308/7.62x51 . Both marking are stamped on the side. I bought mine for $400 new. It's no MOA gun, but $400 for AK reliability and a .308 cartridge I couldn't pass it up.

July 20th, 2009, 06:11 PM	#22
Cuda66 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: minnesota Posts: 485	Mainly because of intangibles...for some reason, HK91's just plain work for me; they shoulder great, I love the sights, I've never met one that I can't hit what I want to with, and...I think--though I have no concrete evidence--that they have a edge in reliability. And, to be dead truthfull...I just have a thing for HK's, in the same way some people have a thing for M1A's, AK's, whatever. Like I said, intangibles. A good M1A, AR-10, FAL, or HK91 are all, really, going to be pretty darn equal on the field...it just comes down to what one prefers. __________________ One man's theology is another man's belly laugh. --RAH

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HotGuns Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,582	The only advantage of the AR-10 is that it infinitely customizable whereas on the HK after market parts are pretty limited. Plus, the scope mount leaves a bit to be desired. __________________ AR. CHL Instr. To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson

July 20th, 2009, 11:12 PM	#24
edr9x23super Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,733	I have to agree with HotGuns on this one; In a fight, I would rather have the AR-10 due not oly to the superiority of the .308 round ballistically, but the pure simple fact that any AR platform is faster in a fight to reload and get back on target than any AK, a fact I have proven myself on occasion.... __________________ "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry

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July 21st, 2009, 12:44 PM	#27
shooterX Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,558	If I had the funds I would buy a M1A scout squad or SOCOM II.

July 21st, 2009, 11:17 PM	#29
pico New Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: SE Florida Posts: 9	I have the M1A, CETME pre ban, SAIGA .308, and H&K91(not clone). If I needed this type of rifle for trudging thru the woods for great distances, my choice would be hands down the Saiga. It has the 16" carbine barrel and has been tarted up with the TAPCO furniture. If I was shooting at targets from great distances, my M1A with leatherwood Camputer scope is just the ticket. If I want the best of both, the CETME and H&K91 cannot be beat. My M1A has a Douglas heavy barrel and McMillan stock. For a build job that is around $3500, this is not bad. The H&K 91 has good sights, and the surplus german scopes are a great buy these days... even though the prices are spiking. I have heard nothing good about the AR-10 rifles, as they are not durable enough. I have not had any experiance with them, but from the reputation they have in my neck of the woods, I would pass. I love the H&K91, and would strongly recommend this. It will perform well and the parts and mags are still cheap. I have a coomplete parts set for both the CETME and 91, but have not had to replace a thing as these seem pretty damn near indestructible. As for the AK, I would skip on these and go with the SKS. They are a bit more accurate and are nearly as easy to maintain as an AK. They also make great rifles for younger shooters.

July 22nd, 2009, 12:17 AM	#30
douggr New Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: vermont Posts: 12	Just an FYI... Saiga, which is made by the same company that makes the AK, makes a semi-auto AK in .308/7.62x51 . Both marking are stamped on the side. I bought mine for $400 new. It's no MOA gun, but $400 for AK reliability and a .308 cartridge I couldn't pass it up.