HotGuns

That'll do.

The only thing I hate about shortys is that huge basketball sized fireball and the racket that'll make your ears bleed....

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SonofASniper

I have mine mounted almost as far forward as that on the upper reciever for the exact reasons that OPFOR just said. I also played with it to fine the natural sweet spot for for me so that when I raise the rifle the EoTec's target reticle naturally comes into view with out me having to try to adjust my head or eyes for better aquisition.



Very nice looking SBR you got issued there OPFOR. I hope the barrell is 1 in 7 and they are issuing you the heaviest bullets that can be had.

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OPFOR

dukalmighty - I can still use the BUIS without removing the EOTech/riser. The sight picture just sits a little lower in the EOTech glass.

HotGuns - the noise is pretty significant, but not oppressive. The flash can be bad, but the strange thing is that it isn't consistant - some shots there is very little, some there is a 2' blast of flame. In any case, we've done some night fire testing, and it isn't so bad that it will blind you and take you out of the fight.

SonofaSniper - They are 1:7. We are shooting 62gr M855 green tip right now, with a boat load of 77gr Black Hills Mk 262 OTM on the way.

Oh, and a note - I was told that these were Colt uppers, but upon closer inspection they are LMT. I guess that's what NSW Crane went with, so we piggy-backed.

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SIXTO

I was just playing with a neighboring jurisdictions SWAT teams M4's set up very much like yours today. ( Hosting the annual SWAT school this week) Man, it does make a huge difference on room entry and rolling thresholds. We are using SMG's right now, all our M4's are 14.5". I think I'm going to try and talk the man into buying some SBR's now. It would be nice to have the extra punch in a smaller package.

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nedrgr21

Very cool setup. Thanks for the explanation for the choice of EO placement.

Got a question since there are apparently a few guys that might know in this thread. Why do entry teams choose to make entries with rifles muzzle down instead of muzzle up? I'm thinking it's b/c it's less likely to sweep another guy's head and torso and the rifle doesn't block out potential targets as it is brought to the shoulder. Thanks.

Tubby45

In cop school, it was explained that if you bring the weapon up to engage your sights are on target longer than if you brought the weapon down. It's also safer to keep the muzzle down than up-feet versus heads and it's less likely the barrel will get plugged with debris if the muzzle is down. It's quicker to roll the gun up into your shoulder than it is to push it forward then back to shoulder.

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SIXTO

Ya'll been watching to much TV. Going into a hot building or room, you bet your backside my muzzle is looking for a threat, not the ground.

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Tubby45

Depends on where you are in the stack. Point man presents weapon forward, others in the stack muzzles down to low ready such as in this photo.

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nedrgr21

Haha.
Sixto, question came up when watching a SWAT team at the range.

SIXTO

That is way old school. If you are being trained that way, I'd seriously would be looking for another school of thought. Maybe SRT will do such silliness, but not a SWAT team. Amateur hour is over, the ground is not a threat.

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