mathewsman

just got email from smith and wesson that they got a new m&p 15 and it comes with 5 free mags
* New, complete M&P15 Rifles chambered in 5.56mm only, excludes upper or lower receivers. M&P15-22 Rifles are not eligible for this promotion. ** Because of certain restrictions (including state and local regulations concerning magazine capacity) not all persons will be eligible to receive some items in this promotion. Where 30-round magazines are restricted, 10-round, aluminum magazines will be substituted. These rifles are made in the U.S.A. and are covered by the Smith & Wesson Lifetime Service Policy.MP15_LoadUp_email.jpg

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cuban11182

Hopefully it will be better than this one, but I doubt it. Maybe their customer service has gotten better that what happened with Lee, but again, I doubt it.

Nek

Well I have never had a problem with my M&P15 shooting Winchester 5.56 or Federal XM193. That damaged gun looks like a one off, freak accident.

Skygod

Personally and professionally I would not even consider this rifle for purchase.

There's too many manufacturers out there that have better reputations and for the same cost. BCM, LMT, Colt, etc. RRA comes in a strong second to these as well.

I've just read enough about these Kabooms in the M&P rifle to know it's like a beautiful woman that wants to sleep with you but gives you fair warning that she's got multiple STD's.

That's just me.

ETA: If a company say's they have a lifetime service policy, it scares me a bit. Afterall, if you buy a decent rifle, then you don't need a warranty that say's "We'll take care of any problems" There should not be any problems, with the exceptions of a rare machining process variance or user/operator lack of maintanence.

Again, that's just me. Good to have a life time warranty, but it speaks to me of more a marketing gimmick, not the reality of possibly having to send a complete rifle back to the manufacturer. If I have to send it back, I'll probably want them to keep it and refund me the money for the purchase.

Again, that's just me.

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cuban11182

Here is a second case. Both on this forum. What are the chances of that? So how many have had similar issues and aren't on this forum??

Janq

As against how many are on this forum and and do own an M&P15 model and have had no problems what so ever _and_ how many are not on this forum and have had no problems what so ever.

S&W has sold tend of thousands of units in this model and the lions share of owners have had nothing but glowing reports...Running all manner of ammo.
Never mind that your second case example, which actually was the first instance reported here, had resolved to be not an issue with the gun nor the fault of the gun but as due to bad mfr. ammo.
Most all mfrs. do not honor warranties as related to bad ammunition errors/malfs/blowups. Unfortunate for the owner but nothing at all new to the industry. Ones argument to that end is with the ammo mfr., in this specific case Remington, not with the firearm mfr. that the round happened to be fired out of. In this event it was Remington who gave the person the run around and by that the owner spilled over his own view of blame to S&W hoping that they would step in an mediate his scoring a replacement gun vis a vis Remington.

On the whole though if you're going to cite stats and odds then you've got to take into account the whole, not just selected parts.
S&W has been moving M&P15s as quick as they can make them and doing so for years now. It's been on the market like 4 yrs. IIRC. Very much largely owners report nothing but satisfaction and have not had issues at all...Including in dealing with customer service toward other non ammo related issues and events.

If one were to demonize S&W for these _two_ isolated events then well no mfr. I know of would be worth while to buy from either as everone has had at least two customers have some manner of issue and complaint about some item of their product line including Glocks with their unsupported chambers and gun go boom episodes. Oddly though I don't see that very well known news slowing down or changing folks minds about that mfr. or their product offerings.

Two incidents as against tens of thousands of units sold does not make a trend nor even a statistical/odds relevant case of argument.
Simply they are unfortunate and regrettable instances that are not singularly attributable to the gun considering a major component being ammunition as in addition to operator error/maintenance are significant and key factors toward duplicating same AR15 go boom result.

Personally I would have no problem and not think twice about investing in a S&W AR15.
In fact I have and am thinking to do just that as with in specific their excellent M&P15PC Performance Center built precision rifle.

- Janq

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C hawk Glock

There are other major issues with the S&W's on other forums as well. Frankly the rifle looks really nice and it becomes tempting with the normal reputation that S&W has, but I will keep my fingers thank you.

By the way, it seems like they started having quite a few of these problems after Stag quite making their rifles for them. Just a thought, but I don't ever remember the kaboom issues during that period of time.

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Janq

C hawk,

Name me just one mfr. of any firearm what so ever that does not as per reporting on the internets _not_ have "major issues"...including Glock.

As based on the internet and forums every gun and top end I own currently as well as have ever owned are/were all malf prone garbage that is neither accurate, reliable, manufactured correctly nor worth the price of acquisition and their mfrs. customer service is nothing but suck.
I kid you not...Every one.

Yet oddly and interestingly every one of my guns and top ends, and they are widely variable, have been rock solid dependable. Further I've had interaction with customer service for various reasons toward every gun I've ever owned, excluding to date the mfr. of my top end, and oddly I have had only one experience that was below what I would deem a normal standard of expectation...and even that event was quite odd and one off related to start.
Thats being across five major 'brand name' manufacturers including handguns, rifle, and shotgun.

For that matter as based on internet reports nobody should be buying anybody's firearm offering of any make, mfr., action type, or internal design be it DI, blowback, break action or muzzleloaded.
They all are inaccurate, break easy, and can/will blowup in your hand. So say members at *.forum.com

In many other industries that sell product, which is my bread & butter, we all have come to know from experience that very often rumor and as current internet postings do not often tell the whole of a given tale be it by individual singular instance of of occurrence nor by wide view.
Not to say that every instance and internet view is Oscar-Mayer balogna, but I am saying take what you hear good, bad, or indifferent as with a grain of salt.

Heck there are people on internet forums who bad talk and relates tales of woe toward EOTech product, a former client of my company, and state how at such n' such time the device 'failed' or 'went down' and nearly got them killed.
Uh huh, okay. Mean while much of the whole worlds war fighters are if not have been running that product and it is well known to be solid.
There are people who will and do complain that Timex watches are garbage and can't keep time, on watch forums (I'm a long time watch nut). Clearly as based on results though there is only so much truth to that statement, too.

The internet and forums are a virtual version of a watercooler.
Take from it what you will but don't take it all verbatim.

$0.02 Street

- Janq

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cuban11182

Janq,

You are right about people bad mouthing different weapons on the internet. That's what you are going to hear, not the good things but the bad. People are more often than not going to express their disscontent with a product or producer than praise, that's just the way of the world.

Your assumption that they've sold tens of thousands may hold water. But my comment on the quality of the CUSTOMER SERVICE (or lack there of) seems to be pretty apparent. The way they treated both these guys on our board is crap. Funny how they both spoke with the same people and got the same "no" until they talked with someone higher up in the S&W chain.

To be so much of a defender maybe you can explain why the LAPD decided to get rid of the M&P line? (LAPD.. Dropping S&W M&P 9mm - Tennessee Gun Owners) Yet they still keep selling?!?!

I'm not bashing S&W because they produce a inferior product. I'm bashing they way that they treated these two guys.

My $0.02

TucAzRider

Amen Janq.... .. Mine has worked flawlessly and I have a friend that has one too,.. His has never had any issues either.. I'm sure there is something about them "failed units" that we're not hearing..

Great deal for sure,.. If I could afford another one I would in a heartbeat,.. :-)

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