puffer

I realize that this is going to stir up a "hornet's " nest but IMHO, the best CQ defensive long arm weapon a person can have is a 12 ga. pump shotgun.
1. Why a pump ??
A. reliability
B. Racking it home gets the "message" across.
( I have a couple of Tshirts to prove it)
2. Why 12 ga. ??
A. @ 20 yd.s = 20" coverage ( think 9 - 30 cal)
B. Want better then use TAP ( I do ) @ 20 yd.s = 8"- 10"
3. What about recoil ?? Try using what I do = a "mercury compensator" Recoil = 20 ga.

Here is my personal choice
a Bennelli "Nova" with a mercury compensator ( note this an old pix, My gun now has a Extra capacity )



Puffer

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RMS

I have the Bennelli "Nova" as my home defense shot gun. I have complete confidnece in it.

BAC

I'll try saying this as nice as I can, but...

What's your point in posting this? We have a myriad of discussions about close-quarters long arms, entire topics dedicated to it even. What does this discussion add that the previous ones haven't covered?


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mr surveyor

what...is this "spank the new guy night"?

Actually, I have been considering a Benelli Nova to add to the collection. But, I would have to have the option of 20 inch and 26 inch barrels...and mag tube plug for those times it followed me bird hunting. The 20 ga. would be o.k., but for all around purposes I would still have to go with the 12. Benelli makes some fine sg's, and really comfortable to shoot. They definately produce some nice tactical guns in their line-up.


surv

C hawk Glock

Frankly I happen to agree, the 12 ga is tough to beat. The only draw back are:

1. Round Capacity
2. Size for use indoors

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jwhite75

The new guy is trying to join in by introducing a thread...give him a break. It's a valid topic he is briniging up. He even taught me about something I was not aware of with the "mercury compensator". Where do you get these, Puffer?

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PastorPack

I'm with you puffer, 12ga all the way.
Remington 870 for me, but the Benelli is a great gun.

+1 on the Pump, but for me the rationale is reliability, semi-auto shotguns can be more picky, but a pump will run every time.



I'll try to say this nicely too...

A forum is designed to engage folks in a dialogue. Sure, many topics have been covered before, but the POINT is the interaction. Otherwise we could just close all threads and make it a library.

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puffer

Thank you Sir.

The "mercury compensator" is listed here ( "Nova Pump recoil reducer") Benelli Parts and Accessories | Magazine Limiter plugs, bolt handles, shim kits, gun locks, recoil reducers

They can be found or ordered, @ most dealers. They are not cheap, ( around $100.00 ) but IMHO, worth it. I hate recoil !! Over the years, the one thing I hated was "shotgun Tac exercises ( both as a LEO & Instructor )

Also, one of the "problems" that arrises in using a shot gun as a home defence weapon, is the recoil. While the male of the home may not have a prob. with a 12 ga ( 00 buck ), women @ others in the household often do. Quite offten, I have recommended "stepping down" to a 20 ga. or using "lighter" loads. But, IMHO, the "compensator" solves the prob. ( in most cases )

Puffer

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For CQB, I'll take a knife over a shotgun. Medium range, yup, shotgun it is.

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jwhite75

I normally agree with you on most things...however i have a differing view on this.

I agree that in theory a knife is the best cqb weapon. However, in my limited LE and correctional training and experience, it is my belief that the majority of the populace do not know how to PROPERLY deploy a knife for self defense. Plus I hate getting cut. If you fight with a knife that is something you have to accept...you will probably get cut at some point during the altercation.

I would much rather use a shotgun to maintain distance if possible from the BG in my home. I also have an ASP baton I use and am much more comfortable with than a knife for Close Quarters. It also has been proven to have a psychologically deterring sound when deployed, such as a shotgun pump. Just a thought. I like my chances of surviving a beating more than a cut or stab wound, if it is taken from me.

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