Thoughts On The Combat Shotgun

QKShooter · May 28th, 2006, 05:54 PM

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rocky · May 28th, 2006, 06:20 PM

sounds about right.

tire iron · May 28th, 2006, 07:22 PM

The shotgun is KING when all three of the following parameters are met:

1. Shots are in the "open" (no cover available for the bad guy/s).
2. No friendlies down range.
3. Shots are within 30 meters or so.

If any ONE of the above three are not met - the shotgun is not the best tool for the job. In order for the shotgun to reign supreme - ALL three of the above must be met.

And if all three of the above ARE met - then the shotgun is indeed the very best tool for the job.

That is my opinion - that and a buck will get you a .99 hamburger at Wendy's.

cheers

tire iron

P95Carry · May 28th, 2006, 10:29 PM

tire - I pretty much go along with that but would reduce that 30 yards bit - probably by then pattern even full choked is opening too much.

At 10 to 15 max I'd agree it is well useful and certainly as HD - hard to beat probably.

Redneck Repairs · May 28th, 2006, 10:50 PM

pretty much old news imho , thus the evelution of the patrol rifle/carbine in the last 15 years or so

tire iron · May 28th, 2006, 11:41 PM

P95,

I agree - I am probably too generous with the distance of 30 yrds. Some shotguns can hold a group together at 30 yrds - but not very many - that is for sure.

cheers

tire iron

QKShooter · May 29th, 2006, 12:09 AM

I'd be worried a bit w/ my "home defense" shotty at 30 yds with its short riot barrel.

Lots of new members here these days. Some new to shooting in general so...thought it would be a good read mostly for them.

Not too much new concerning defensive Rock Salt Guns that we seasoned shooters don't know about already.

CombatEffective · May 29th, 2006, 01:23 AM

With Remington 8 pellet 00 buck reduced recoil ammo, my 870P will give me a pattern at 25 yards that I can cover with my open hand. I use a modified choke.

With 9 pellet ammo, the pattern opens and fliers can become an issue.

With a little training and thought, ammo exchange on the fly between slugs and shot is easy, and slugs are combat accurate out to 100 yards. Unless somebody is in a firing position attacking me with a rifle, I'm pretty much going to take an escape route if my threat is that far away.

QKShooter · May 29th, 2006, 02:07 AM

My shorty/shotty riot/police barrel will not do that with any manner of shell but slugs.

It's extremely easy and fast to maneuver close quarters...& handles slugs very well but, nothing else is that tight at 25 ~ 30 yds.

There is a price to pay for everything...I guess.

DizTbone · May 29th, 2006, 11:47 AM

Nice read. Thanks for the link.

My thoughts...worth approx 1 Ruble...

When I loaded up the 12 ga. pump w/00 buck, I never had a thought of a shot over 20 yds. In fact, I never had a thought of a shot, for defense, of 20 yds...considering that the distance from my bedroom door to the front door of the house is less than that. Of course, I also hope that the sound of a pump racking would give me a split second advantage over any intruder. (Maybe, maybe not...)

Anyway, I grew up hunting deer with a shotgun. My first shotgun ( a .410) wouldn't pattern for squat with slugs. My second ( a single shot 12 ga.) would do okay at 50 yds, but I never considered taking a shot longer than that. My third (borrowed 12 ga. bolt w/rifled bbl.) would do at 100 yds...it would also pattern #4 birdshot so tightly that it was easier to shoot clays with a .22LR. After seeing a buck hit in the face/chest at 20 yds. with 00 buck, and running off little worse for the experience, I learned this: even with a shotty, AIM like you were using a rifle; don't take long shots; know the pattern of your wep/ammo system; don't depend on it for penetration.

Frankly, I like the shotgun at self-defense ranges for COM shots, psychological effect (thank you, Sun Tzu), and, in extremely close quarters, it makes a really good staff. Hmmm...maybe I should get one of those WWI Winchesters w/bayo?

The only reason that the shot-gun won out over the rifle is that I live in a populated area. It's not any easier to get good hits with the scattergun. Heck, if it weren't for neighbors I'd have gone for an AK or a .45-70 lever gun.

Okay...maybe my thoughts are worth 1/2 of a Ruble.

Michael

May 28th, 2006, 05:54 PM	#1
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 19,807	Thoughts On The Combat Shotgun *Click Here To Go There & Read It.* Agree with all of it? Agree with some of it? Any Thoughts ~ Or Additions ~ Or Corrections. We want To Hear From You. All Comments & Opinions Welcome. QKS Slug File Photo

May 28th, 2006, 06:20 PM	#2
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 11,628	sounds about right. __________________ "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson Nemo Me Impune Lacesset Link to my kydex builds:http://rocknloadkydex.blogspot.com/

May 29th, 2006, 01:23 AM	#8
CombatEffective Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,000	With Remington 8 pellet 00 buck reduced recoil ammo, my 870P will give me a pattern at 25 yards that I can cover with my open hand. I use a modified choke. With 9 pellet ammo, the pattern opens and fliers can become an issue. With a little training and thought, ammo exchange on the fly between slugs and shot is easy, and slugs are combat accurate out to 100 yards. Unless somebody is in a firing position attacking me with a rifle, I'm pretty much going to take an escape route if my threat is that far away. __________________ Shooters' Legacy Special sections for S&W and Ruger

May 29th, 2006, 02:07 AM	#9
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 19,807	Combat...that's good... My shorty/shotty riot/police barrel will not do that with any manner of shell but slugs. It's extremely easy and fast to maneuver close quarters...& handles slugs very well but, nothing else is that tight at 25 ~ 30 yds. There is a price to pay for everything...I guess.

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May 28th, 2006, 07:22 PM	#3
tire iron Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: utah Posts: 64	The shotgun is KING when all three of the following parameters are met: 1. Shots are in the "open" (no cover available for the bad guy/s). 2. No friendlies down range. 3. Shots are within 30 meters or so. If any ONE of the above three are not met - the shotgun is not the best tool for the job. In order for the shotgun to reign supreme - ALL three of the above must be met. And if all three of the above ARE met - then the shotgun is indeed the very best tool for the job. That is my opinion - that and a buck will get you a .99 hamburger at Wendy's. cheers tire iron

May 28th, 2006, 10:29 PM	#4
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,366	tire - I pretty much go along with that but would reduce that 30 yards bit - probably by then pattern even full choked is opening too much. At 10 to 15 max I'd agree it is well useful and certainly as HD - hard to beat probably. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

May 28th, 2006, 10:50 PM	#5
Redneck Repairs VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,141	pretty much old news imho , thus the evelution of the patrol rifle/carbine in the last 15 years or so

May 28th, 2006, 11:41 PM	#6
tire iron Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: utah Posts: 64	P95, I agree - I am probably too generous with the distance of 30 yrds. *Some* shotguns can hold a group together at 30 yrds - but not very many - that is for sure. cheers tire iron

May 29th, 2006, 12:09 AM	#7
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 19,807	I'd be worried a bit w/ my "home defense" shotty at 30 yds with its short riot barrel. Lots of new members here these days. Some new to shooting in general so...thought it would be a good read mostly for them. Not too much new concerning defensive Rock Salt Guns that we seasoned shooters don't know about already.

May 29th, 2006, 11:47 AM	#10
DizTbone Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: West Central Arkansas Posts: 239	Nice read. Thanks for the link. My thoughts...worth approx 1 Ruble... When I loaded up the 12 ga. pump w/00 buck, I never had a thought of a shot over 20 yds. In fact, I never had a thought of a shot, for defense, of 20 yds...considering that the distance from my bedroom door to the front door of the house is less than that. Of course, I also hope that the sound of a pump racking would give me a split second advantage over any intruder. (Maybe, maybe not...) Anyway, I grew up hunting deer with a shotgun. My first shotgun ( a .410) wouldn't pattern for squat with slugs. My second ( a single shot 12 ga.) would do okay at 50 yds, but I never considered taking a shot longer than that. My third (borrowed 12 ga. bolt w/rifled bbl.) would do at 100 yds...it would also pattern #4 birdshot so tightly that it was easier to shoot clays with a .22LR. After seeing a buck hit in the face/chest at 20 yds. with 00 buck, and running off little worse for the experience, I learned this: even with a shotty, AIM like you were using a rifle; don't take long shots; know the pattern of your wep/ammo system; don't depend on it for penetration. Frankly, I like the shotgun at self-defense ranges for COM shots, psychological effect (thank you, Sun Tzu), and, in extremely close quarters, it makes a really good staff. Hmmm...maybe I should get one of those WWI Winchesters w/bayo? The only reason that the shot-gun won out over the rifle is that I live in a populated area. It's not any easier to get good hits with the scattergun. Heck, if it weren't for neighbors I'd have gone for an AK or a .45-70 lever gun. Okay...maybe my thoughts are worth 1/2 of a Ruble. Michael