<![CDATA[DefensiveCarry Concealed Carry Forum - Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions]]> http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/ Discussion regarding concealed carry licensing, issues, methods of concealment, etc. en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:39:07 GMT vBulletin 480 http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/images/misc/rss.jpg <![CDATA[DefensiveCarry Concealed Carry Forum - Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions]]> http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/ Political Statement http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91310-political-statement.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:14:26 GMT Greetings to all! As a respectful permit holder I have decided to apply for all permits that I can obtain. Different states have different requirements but my collection contains the following: ME (home state), UT, NH, CT, ND, PA I am currently waiting for my FL, (goofed up the process, forgot to have LE put their address on back of finger print card) and look forward to adding 2 more states to my legal to carry map of the US. As we see a surge in applications I believe this is a strong political statement and a good way for political leaders that we WANT our SECOND AMENDMENT rights intact and maintained! handgunlaw.us has all the links and instructions for applying. uscarry.com has the best map making, as they take into account that some states require you to have a resident permit in order to carry in their state (MI, CO, FL, NH, SC). Keep safe and happy carrying!:comeandgetsome: Greetings to all!
As a respectful permit holder I have decided to apply for all permits that I can obtain. Different states have different requirements but my collection contains the following:
ME (home state), UT, NH, CT, ND, PA
I am currently waiting for my FL, (goofed up the process, forgot to have LE put their address on back of finger print card) and look forward to adding 2 more states to my legal to carry map of the US. As we see a surge in applications I believe this is a strong political statement and a good way for political leaders that we WANT our SECOND AMENDMENT rights intact and maintained! handgunlaw.us has all the links and instructions for applying. uscarry.com has the best map making, as they take into account that some states require you to have a resident permit in order to carry in their state (MI, CO, FL, NH, SC). Keep safe and happy carrying!:comeandgetsome: ]]> MaineGlock http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91310-political-statement.html How to get FL CC? http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91283-how-get-fl-cc.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:10:19 GMT I live in MO and am 21 but I figured I would try to go ahead and get my CC permit a couple years early. I know I just take the class and get certified but have no idea where to go from there... Anyone if MO done this before? Oh, and what kind of price tag can I expect? I live in MO and am 21 but I figured I would try to go ahead and get my CC permit a couple years early.

I know I just take the class and get certified but have no idea where to go from there...

Anyone if MO done this before?

Oh, and what kind of price tag can I expect? ]]> Kenny256 http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91283-how-get-fl-cc.html Florida CCW permit arrived in the mail today... http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91281-florida-ccw-permit-arrived-mail-today.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:41:11 GMT Perfect timing to a crappy week. Utah is next and then I'll try to get my home state of Nazifornia. ]]> 2c5s http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91281-florida-ccw-permit-arrived-mail-today.html A guide to carrying while dancing! (slightly tongue in cheek) http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91280-guide-carrying-while-dancing-slightly-tongue-cheek.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:04:31 GMT I recently attended a salsa dance party in my city and I dressed for the occasion. There's probably a ton of guides out there on doing activities while carrying but I hope I can add some knowledge to the mix. Some of the info is geared towards the younger folk like me (21 yo) but I think people of all ages should be able to apply this.

1 - OWB + pocket, unless you're a Marine or bodybuilder with giant friking lats or a Barret sized chest, then you can get away with IWB. Quite a few people in the dancing community are fashion experts who can probably make you if you're not careful. OWB is the best way to go because...

2 - your formal jacket/trendy businessman style jacket can cover it up! Although you might want to get this modified so that you can easily pull it up or have just the right amount of material to grab on to. Or you like wearing those club style shirts (you know the flashy dress shirts with graphics all over them that us young people wear these days), or don't like wearing tucked in shirts, you can ignore the jacket part.

(a shoulder holster might be a good idea as well but I don't want to sweep everything to the left of me, not on the dance floor, but anywhere else, plus I like my brachial artery.)

Now on to dancing.

3 - don't be afraid to have your arms in the air/vertical (at least not constantly) while you're dancing. Unless you have a pink Taurus Raging Bull in a Hello Kitty holster, you'll be moving fast enough that no one will really pay much attention to the HK45C on your hip (well that's my carry gun), even if it (or just the barrel) flashes for a tiny second.

4 - dancing with your jacket on can be a little awkward at first but over time you'll get used to it. Just remember to stay buttoned up if you want extra concealment. Or...

5 - you can leave it unbuttoned to give you more freedom but if you do a spin (guys can spin for styling purposes or as part of a move) the jacket can fly up sometimes and expose your piece, if only for a brief second or two. In this case...

6 - outfit coordination needs to be key. Wear a black gun with a dark blue or red dress shirt, with black pants and a black holster. Silver gun needs to have a silver-ish shirt, lighter colored holster, and lighter colored pants. Less color contrast, the better.

7 - allow yourself to get close to your lady, to body contact (unless you're appendix carrying then I'm not sure what to do for you), but don't do it too often. At least for salsa dancing her arms will never ever ever get even near your strong side when you are dancing closely. Talk to her and shoot the breeze, too, this keeps her mind off of any other thoughts (at least I think so...) And if you bump her on accident, you need to say "blackberry" or "hospital pager" as fast as you can and pray she doesn't work for sprint or for the local hospital. But be careful and don't bump her.

8 - Vary your dance moves! Well you probably should IMO. if you keep doing one thing or stay in the basic move position or do the young person bump and grind the girl's hand might wander if you're not careful. Plus the more cool moves you do, people will be focusing more on your body as a whole rather than one specific area, giving them less chances to make you.

9 - Careful about dipping the girl or any move that requires you to flex your spine for more than 1-3 seconds. You're bent over and your jacket/dress shirt could probably bulge, at least I think that's what my HK45C does on my 5'9" 150 lb skinny arse. But in this case it shouldn't be too worrisome because dipping a girl is a hollywood style move that will have attention on both of you rather than you alone.

10 - go with a group of friends and have one stand to your strong side. Or you can go it alone but be careful.

Ladies' guide - well, I'm not a girl so I don't know how this would pan out...but I can say things from what I've seen.

1 - your best bet is to wear one of those billowy dresses/skirts but probably have some sort of padding in your thigh area because the leg holster is your best holster for this situation. Not the form-fitting ones as those scream "print."

2 - so...you might want to get used to a small-ish gun unless if you can fit a USP Compact under your skirt. The leg holster looks like the best option because guys' hands will rarely go to your leg, it will be either your hips, abdomen, arms, back, or hair. One exception though...if you're dancing close, if you're right handed, some dances like salsa and bachata or that bump and grind crap have moves where you end up with your right thigh between his legs. Don't ask, just blame the people who invented these dances. The padding in the thigh area should help, at least it allows you to say "Iphone" with confidence if he asks.) Chat him up to to distract him (whatever you say is up to you), and move your body in whatever way you wish to distract others.

3 - this time don't worry about dips. He's probably concentrating more on not dropping you than anything else.

If you're dancing with a whole group of people...then don't take yourself too seriously. Go nuts, make a fool out of yourself, or even just imitate others - no one's going to suspect anything unless you are bumping someone actively. Then you have a problem. Plus it shows you are a really laid back person and not a trained killer - which unfortunately I nearly experienced the other way around a few months ago.

And that's that!

(for anyone that asks, this event took place in a facility with an ABC license that was not classified as a restaurant or club.) ]]> Agent47 http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91280-guide-carrying-while-dancing-slightly-tongue-cheek.html Non-Res PA....wow...FAST http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91272-non-res-pa-wow-fast.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:12:53 GMT My dad needed to get legal so he could carry in Ga so I told him to get a non-res from PA after seeing the link here. He mailed it off on the 10th from SC and received it today. Now that's fast... 9 days total. ]]> REVMAN http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91272-non-res-pa-wow-fast.html <![CDATA[First day of CC'ing]]> http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91268-first-day-ccing.html Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:58:15 GMT I was finally able to pick up my CCP today and the first thing I did was run home, throw on the bellyband and do my grocery shopping. I have to admit it was a strange new feeling to cary in public, but it is nice to feel a little bit safer. I was finally able to pick up my CCP today and the first thing I did was run home, throw on the bellyband and do my grocery shopping. I have to admit it was a strange new feeling to cary in public, but it is nice to feel a little bit safer. ]]> joshe http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91268-first-day-ccing.html Another newbie legal question http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91226-another-newbie-legal-question.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:21:18 GMT Ok, I generally carry a small .380 IWB, but very very often carry my 9mm Glock or .40 S&W Glock in a leather waistpack/fannypack, and you can't tell there is a gun inside, unless it's opened.

I know of one wrongful detention by a Wal-Mart years ago, resulting in a lawsuit against WalMart, where a man was detained when they thought he was shoplifting, but he wasn't.

My question is sort of constituional search and seizure/false imprisonment versus "concealed"

Really, I just want to know how to handle a situation, should it ever occur:

Suppose I'm leaving a WalMart and the lady by the exit door asked to see inside my fanny pack.

Would I open it for her there, and be in violation for not being concealed

or

Ask her to call the manager where we could go in his office and ask what the probable cause of the search is, and then ?

or

Show the Manager, or store security, my license and hand him my fanny pack containing my weapon

or

Explain or show the manager my license, but hang onto it, and have the manager call for police if he wants to go further with the matter, and wait for police and show them my license before handing them the fanny pack containing my weapon.
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I could deal with the civil matter of illegal search or wrongfully detaining me later, I just want to know what's best while at the store, (so I'm not in violation of anything) if that ever occurred. ]]> RPB http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91226-another-newbie-legal-question.html Need update on Texas CHL process. http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91208-need-update-texas-chl-process.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:59:51 GMT Hello, Im from Texas. I took my CHL class in mid August and mailed off my packet by the beginning of September. I then recieved notice in the beginning of October that i needed to provide proof of citizenship before they can start processing my application. I immediately sent in what was needed to Texas DPS. My question is, what is the turn-around time for the CHL license to be issued. Has Texas DPS improved on their wait times or are they still lagging. I couple of years ago individuals were reporting a six to nine month time before they recieved their license. Im wondering how long its going to take to get mine. Please let me know. joey rh Hello, Im from Texas. I took my CHL class in mid August and mailed off my packet by the beginning of September. I then recieved notice in the beginning of October that i needed to provide proof of citizenship before they can start processing my application. I immediately sent in what was needed to Texas DPS. My question is, what is the turn-around time for the CHL license to be issued. Has Texas DPS improved on their wait times or are they still lagging. I couple of years ago individuals were reporting a six to nine month time before they recieved their license. Im wondering how long its going to take to get mine. Please let me know.

joey rh ]]> joeyrh9 http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91208-need-update-texas-chl-process.html $1,000+ for my PA LTCF http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91180-1-000-my-pa-ltcf.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:53:24 GMT A few months ago I applied for a PA LTCF. It seems the PA State Police considered me a poor risk and therefore failed me on the background check. I have never been to PA before (well, maybe changed planes in Philly 25 years ago but if so, I'm certain I didn't mug anyone in the terminal that day), so I was really perplexed as to why I was considered a persona non grata felonious crackhead to those in the City of Brotherly Love.

It seems there was an ancient charge on my record, a bogus charge for which I was cleared--no probation, no parole, no conviction, no nothing on my record. However, as Murphy would have it, the charge still appeared somewhere out there wherever those in PA search. (Ironic that it wasn't an issue in MO where I live and have obtained my MO CCW.)

So I trot on down to my lawyer and ask him to write a letter to the powers-that-be in the PA State Police, explained in lawyer gobbledygook words that would carry more weight than my perplexed writings. Oh yeh, I just remembered I did write the PA state police first... lotta good that did. :hand1:

So my lawyer crafts a wonderful letter, explaining how I have no criminal record whatsoever other than a speeding ticket, and goes into some detail about the Missouri court system. It was a fine letter, wonderfully written. Apparently he or his secretary paid close attention in English class.

I send the letter off, follow the other instructions from PA and apply again, and in a couple weeks I have a PA LTCF in my hands. (Ironic again in that someone in a far-off state, whom I have never met, has now given me permission to carry in MY OWN STATE. :confused:)

All is well. For the time being.

The lawyer bill is delayed due to a mistake in my address, but it finally comes. I'm expecting $250-$450... but I consider it worth it because I need an explanation for any future background checks. I plan to get another permit next year, and who knows if I'll need a background check in the future for some job...

So I open my lawyer's bill... it's over $1,000 :shocked: and I feel like I've been punched in the gut. This isn't the new lawyer I found recently; this is the one who originally represented me years ago. He's good, but not cheap. Obviously. Now I remember. :nutkick:

Ouch. All I could think of was "two handguns". Once I recovered a bit, I thought more accurately "one expensive handgun (to me, that is), new leather, extra mags, and ammo". :sad:

On the bright side, Sheriff Nau of Centre County, PA, and his staff were very polite and quick with their paperwork. I emailed Sheriff Nau several times, and he responded quickly and cordially, once late at night, so he was either working late or emailing from home. That's dedication: putting in extra time to help a gun owner in a far-away state, for only a measly $26. At least he doesn't think I'm a crackhead. :rolleyes:

Unfortunate events in our past concerning vindictive people, lawyers, and the police: the gift that keeps on giving. :frown:

$1,000+ for a permit that's priced at $26? I think I messed up somewhere along the way. Maybe I should have got an estimate first... written in blood, preferably not my own. :frown:

Happy :censored: Thanksgiving to me. :aargh4: ]]> grady http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91180-1-000-my-pa-ltcf.html Newbie question http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91167-newbie-question.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:56:49 GMT I am currently waiting for wonderful Wayne country to approve and mail me my permit. In the meantime I have been trying out a few different carry options around the house. I plan to carry a G19. With the winter months right upon us I am thinking OWB. I have been threw three holsters already and think I like the Bianchi the most so far. The problem is I cant decide when to carry ( 3 o’clock 4 o’clock ……) I keep changing it around for comfort and ability to conceal. So now for the question. How long did it take for you to find your “best”- favorite carry position? I am currently waiting for wonderful Wayne country to approve and mail me my permit. In the meantime I have been trying out a few different carry options around the house. I plan to carry a G19. With the winter months right upon us I am thinking OWB. I have been threw three holsters already and think I like the Bianchi the most so far. The problem is I cant decide when to carry ( 3 o’clock 4 o’clock ……) I keep changing it around for comfort and ability to conceal. So now for the question. How long did it take for you to find your “best”- favorite carry position? ]]> BriNik http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91167-newbie-question.html Bought a new Console Vault for the truck http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91166-bought-new-console-vault-truck.html Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:55:21 GMT Just a quick kudos for consolevault.com. My wife and I just purchased a new F350 and I bought one of their lockable compartments for the console. I bought the combination lock rather than the keyed lock based on their advice. This thing is fantastic!! It was expensive though (close to $300 - just looking at it $150 seems much more reasonable). The fit was 100% perfect and it took me all of 10 minutes to install. 12 ga. steel - built like a tank and minimal decrease in the usable compartment space. USA quality comes with a price - I guess I'll (happily) cut them an extra 150 bucks for awesome R&D. They got this thing right. Cheers!!

They have pretty good pictures on their website but here are mine.
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]]> SigDaddy http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91166-bought-new-console-vault-truck.html Finally got my permit yesterday.... http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91150-finally-got-my-permit-yesterday.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:59:11 GMT Finally got my permit yesterday what a day Finally got my permit yesterday what a day ]]> hollywood http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91150-finally-got-my-permit-yesterday.html Norfolk, VA http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91148-norfolk-va.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:53:28 GMT I will be in Norfolk, VA in January at the Ted Constant Convention Center. Is CC allow there ( I would assume not) or is the fact that it is associated with ODU a no-no for carry? I have searched and cannot find any answer. Thank you for your input. I will be in Norfolk, VA in January at the Ted Constant Convention Center. Is CC allow there ( I would assume not) or is the fact that it is associated with ODU a no-no for carry? I have searched and cannot find any answer.
Thank you for your input. ]]> VTXDM40 http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91148-norfolk-va.html Looking for wisdom http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91143-looking-wisdom.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:33:18 GMT Last weekend I was at a gun show in Mt Clemens, MI and I saw a product that I had seen on line and was curious about. It's called Car Seat Holder, sells for $30 but for some reason that little guy in the back of my brain keeps telling me that it's not legal in Michigan.
Any body have an opinion?
Thanks,
Jackhttp://www.combatcarry.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/vol_1/confused.gif ]]> jackg http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91143-looking-wisdom.html i need assistance on some info for ccw http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91137-i-need-assistance-some-info-ccw.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:21:22 GMT ok i live in michigan and it took me a month1/2 to get approved for my ccw. its been 2 weeks sense i was aprroved and i havent got nothin in the mail yet how long does it take to mail it out. patiently waiting :22a: ok i live in michigan and it took me a month1/2 to get approved for my ccw. its been 2 weeks sense i was aprroved and i havent got nothin in the mail yet how long does it take to mail it out. patiently waiting :22a: ]]> iroctheglock http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulletin/concealed-carry-issues-discussions/91137-i-need-assistance-some-info-ccw.html