Chaos and forum drama

Bumper · September 29th, 2007, 02:43 AM

We normally try to insulate our members from the drama that happens in the management of the forum. With our rapid growth over the past year or so, forum staff has been continually challenged by some of our new members. Challenged in respect to how to handle some of the negative attitudes, anti-social personalities and behaviors and language. We have also been literally challenged by some that have had to be reprimanded. They PM us trying to support their argument, but often are swearing the whole time about how unfair we are, that they have a right to post here as they see fit, regardless of our rules and that we should stop "singling them out".

In the last couple of days, we had just such an incident. A language edit made by one of our staff led to accusations of our stifling free speech. An explanation of why the language was not appropriate for this forum did not calm the situation down and the person started posting shots and jabs at our staff in thread. PMs were sent to our moderators, administrators and myself sometimes pleading for reconsideration, others ranting and threatening.

This person was, when he had made it clear that he would not follow the rules of this forum or cleanup his language, banned. This person then started using other accounts he had set up to start PM'ing us, alternating between asking to reconsider, and threatening to damage the forum through posting in other forums and hacking us. He also told us that we could not keep him off the forum and that he would be back.

Why am I telling you all this? Because he's at least making good on one of his threats by posting negatives about DC on other forums. Those of you that visit other forums will undoubtedly come across these posts and I thought that you should know "the rest of the story". We do not normally address accusations in other forums by disgruntled ex-members and will continue that policy in this case. He was a member here and is posting elsewhere under the name "Savage". Should you come across these kinds of posts penned under that name or possibly another, you should consider the source.

You should also understand that we support all of our constitutional rights at every opportunity. But we do have rules to preserve what has become our trademark, civility. Those that prefer chaos should understand that it will not be allowed on this site. If the forum is not to your liking, you should exercise your right to go somewhere else. I own this forum, but it was built by some of the best people there are in this country, our members, including staff. Members that appreciate that we are not a "no holds barred" forum where anything goes. We cater to those that are looking for something different in a forum, civility and a true community attitude. The darker element of our society are invited to leave at their convenience.

I will also take this opportunity to thank those members that support this forum and stand by us during this flurry of unnecessary drama. We truly do appreciate your contributions and support....

SIGguy229 · September 29th, 2007, 06:12 AM

Thank you, Bumper.

MattLarson · September 29th, 2007, 07:25 AM

Thanks for all the hard work, Bumper.

I know from experience how much fun a problem forum poster can be.

Matt

simon · September 29th, 2007, 09:04 AM

Thanks Bumper...

ccw9mm · September 29th, 2007, 09:19 AM

Never did like taking out the trash, but it's got to be done to avoid stinking up the place. Ain't it the truth.

Congrats on a well-run and civil forum.

goldshellback · September 29th, 2007, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccw9mm

Never did like taking out the trash, but it's got to be done to avoid stinking up the place. Ain't it the truth.

Congrats on a well-run and civil forum.

+1 Good manners and respect get more done than anything else in a forum as great as this one

Ron · September 29th, 2007, 10:20 AM

Bumper,

You know that you have my full support in trying to keep this Forum a place for civil discourse.

Ron

frankborelli · September 29th, 2007, 10:23 AM

Thanks for sharing the info. It never ceases to amaze me how some folks think they have any "rights" at all on a privately owned and operated forum. It's really quite simple:

THEY have the right to offer their opinion in a polite fashion.

YOU have the right to block / cancel them if they aren't polite.

How hard is that to understand?

halfcrazy · September 29th, 2007, 10:45 AM

+1 Bumper great forum and sorry for the headaches. it must be a tiring job taking care of the trash.

Ben Hennessy · September 29th, 2007, 10:53 AM

Gone a couple of days and missed the drama. Bumper I think this is a great site and I have no plans going anywhere else.

September 29th, 2007, 02:43 AM	#1
Bumper Administrator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 14,054	Chaos and forum drama We normally try to insulate our members from the drama that happens in the management of the forum. With our rapid growth over the past year or so, forum staff has been continually challenged by some of our new members. Challenged in respect to how to handle some of the negative attitudes, anti-social personalities and behaviors and language. We have also been literally challenged by some that have had to be reprimanded. They PM us trying to support their argument, but often are swearing the whole time about how unfair we are, that they have a right to post here as they see fit, regardless of our rules and that we should stop "singling them out". In the last couple of days, we had just such an incident. A language edit made by one of our staff led to accusations of our stifling free speech. An explanation of why the language was not appropriate for this forum did not calm the situation down and the person started posting shots and jabs at our staff in thread. PMs were sent to our moderators, administrators and myself sometimes pleading for reconsideration, others ranting and threatening. This person was, when he had made it clear that he would not follow the rules of this forum or cleanup his language, banned. This person then started using other accounts he had set up to start PM'ing us, alternating between asking to reconsider, and threatening to damage the forum through posting in other forums and hacking us. He also told us that we could not keep him off the forum and that he would be back. Why am I telling you all this? Because he's at least making good on one of his threats by posting negatives about DC on other forums. Those of you that visit other forums will undoubtedly come across these posts and I thought that you should know "the rest of the story". We do not normally address accusations in other forums by disgruntled ex-members and will continue that policy in this case. He was a member here and is posting elsewhere under the name "Savage". Should you come across these kinds of posts penned under that name or possibly another, you should consider the source. You should also understand that we support all of our constitutional rights at every opportunity. But we do have rules to preserve what has become our trademark, civility. Those that prefer chaos should understand that it will not be allowed on this site. If the forum is not to your liking, you should exercise your right to go somewhere else. I own this forum, but it was built by some of the best people there are in this country, our members, including staff. Members that appreciate that we are not a "no holds barred" forum where anything goes. We cater to those that are looking for something different in a forum, civility and a true community attitude. The darker element of our society are invited to leave at their convenience. I will also take this opportunity to thank those members that support this forum and stand by us during this flurry of unnecessary drama. We truly do appreciate your contributions and support.... __________________ Bumper Administrator DefensiveCarry.com Forum Coimhéad fearg fhear na foighde; Beware the anger of a patient man.

September 29th, 2007, 06:12 AM	#2
SIGguy229 Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,986	Thank you, Bumper. __________________ Patriotic dissent is a luxury of those protected by better men than they Sacrifice: Congress thinks having to stay late to vote is sacrifice. Ask the Sailor, Soldier, Airman, or Marine meeting his child for the first time what sacrifice means martyr is a fancy name for crappy fighter

September 29th, 2007, 07:25 AM	#3
MattLarson Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,455	Thanks for all the hard work, Bumper. I know from experience how much fun a problem forum poster can be. Matt __________________ Hope is not a plan.

September 29th, 2007, 09:19 AM	#5
ccw9mm VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 5,943	Never did like taking out the trash, but it's got to be done to avoid stinking up the place. Ain't it the truth. Congrats on a well-run and civil forum. __________________ Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it. Reports: CZ P01 pt1, pt2. Thoughts: Justifiable self defense. Reality: Disarming citizens only results in more victims. Tip: Use the <search> feature.

September 29th, 2007, 10:20 AM	#7
Ron Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,221	Bumper, You know that you have my full support in trying to keep this Forum a place for civil discourse. Ron __________________ "It does not do to leave a dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." J. R. R. Tolkien

September 29th, 2007, 09:04 AM	#4
simon VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,417	Thanks Bumper...

September 29th, 2007, 10:23 AM	#8
frankborelli Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 86	Thanks for sharing the info. It never ceases to amaze me how some folks think they have any "rights" at all on a privately owned and operated forum. It's really quite simple: THEY have the right to offer their opinion in a polite fashion. YOU have the right to block / cancel them if they aren't polite. How hard is that to understand? __________________ Frank Borelli www.newamericantruth.com "Cogito, ergo armatum sum" I think, therefore I am armed.

September 29th, 2007, 10:45 AM	#9
halfcrazy Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: maine Posts: 94	+1 Bumper great forum and sorry for the headaches. it must be a tiring job taking care of the trash.

September 29th, 2007, 10:53 AM	#10
Ben Hennessy VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. James, Missouri Posts: 2,361	Gone a couple of days and missed the drama. Bumper I think this is a great site and I have no plans going anywhere else.

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