Political Threads

[mr.stuart]

I appreciate your stand on this,Bumper.Politics and religion most often lead to arguments.

[SelfDefense]

Originally Posted by Bumper

Those are not political as I define it.....

How about,

Obama, with his anti-American, European, elitist leanings has spoken both positively and negatively concerning Second Amendment issues, most recently endorsing the Supreme Court's decision while supporting gun control in his home state. We hope to have the liberally biased media pose specific questions concerning his ambiguous stance but we don't see any such action in the near future since they are fawning over him during his recent world presidential coronation tour.

Is that OK?

[Kerbouchard]

Bumper, I realize that you will probably never change your policy, and I do my best to stay within the parameters you have set forth with YOUR forum, but...I also respect the membership of this forum more than any other forum I have had the opportunity to participate in.

I think I know where my political leanings lie, but reading the thoughts of the forum members here help to either solidify and refine my thinking on the issues.

I understand why you choose to not let this forum become entrenched with political debate, BUT we all learn a lot from each other.

It would be great if there was a political oriented forum with the same members and the same rules as we have here, but unfortunately, there is not.

The upcoming election, is perhaps one of the most important elections since Lincoln was elected, and it will bring about a 'change' in the way our rights are protected and in the way our rights are exercised.

I do wish there was a way to compromise so that the members whose judgment I value would have a way to express their feelings and thoughts so that we could all make a more informed choice.

I realize that, as the Forum Owner, you are entitled, and in fact deserve, discretionary rulings on what is allowed and what is not allowed...Anybody who looks at my past postings will infer that I am an absolute believer in property rights and that nothing should trump that. Unfortunately, I find myself as a hypocrite in this particular subject.

Bumper, you have accumulated a large, diverse, respectful, and intelligent group of members, and I often find myself wondering what this specific group thinks about certain political issues. With the moderation you guys(admin and moderators and members self-policing themselves) have provided and have instilled as necessary parts of this forum, I think the forum membership could benefit from political discussions that would help refine peoples ideas, and perhaps, change others.

With all of that said, I will refrain from starting or posting in purely political threads, as per your wishes, but I do wish there was a way where the members of this forum were able to exchange all ideas and learn from each other.

[SelfDefense]

Originally Posted by Kerbouchard

Bumper, I realize that you will probably never change your policy, and I do my best to stay within the parameters you have set forth with YOUR forum, but...I also respect the membership of this forum more than any other forum I have had the opportunity to participate in.

I think I know where my political leanings lie, but reading the thoughts of the forum members here help to either solidify and refine my thinking on the issues.

I understand why you choose to not let this forum become entrenched with political debate, BUT we all learn a lot from each other.

It would be great if there was a political oriented forum with the same members and the same rules as we have here, but unfortunately, there is not.

The upcoming election, is perhaps one of the most important elections since Lincoln was elected, and it will bring about a 'change' in the way our rights are protected and in the way our rights are exercised.

I do wish there was a way to compromise so that the members whose judgment I value would have a way to express their feelings and thoughts so that we could all make a more informed choice.

I realize that, as the Forum Owner, you are entitled, and in fact deserve, discretionary rulings on what is allowed and what is not allowed...Anybody who looks at my past postings will infer that I am an absolute believer in property rights and that nothing should trump that. Unfortunately, I find myself as a hypocrite in this particular subject.

Bumper, you have accumulated a large, diverse, respectful, and intelligent group of members, and I often find myself wondering what this specific group thinks about certain political issues. With the moderation you guys(admin and moderators and members self-policing themselves) have provided and have instilled as necessary parts of this forum, I think the forum membership could benefit from political discussions that would help refine peoples ideas, and perhaps, change others.

With all of that said, I will refrain from starting or posting in purely political threads, as per your wishes, but I do wish there was a way where the members of this forum were able to exchange all ideas and learn from each other.

+1

I think Kerbouchard has eloquently stated what many of us feel. This is a gun related forum and certainly Bumper has every right to prohibit any conversations he does not deem appropriate for whatever reason. I, like every other member, appreciate the hard work that has created this exceptional corner of the internet.

I think political discussions, as long as they do not stray into cheerleading (or attacking) specific candidates, are not offensive and could certainly be a positive sharing of ideas.

We are, however, guests in Bumper's house and I will defer to any and every decision he makes.

[Captain Crunch]

Originally Posted by Kerbouchard

With all of that said, I will refrain from starting or posting in purely political threads, as per your wishes, but I do wish there was a way where the members of this forum were able to exchange all ideas and learn from each other.

There is a way.

It's called Private Messaging.

[Bumper]

Originally Posted by SelfDefense

How about,

Obama, with his anti-American, European, elitist leanings has spoken both positively and negatively concerning Second Amendment issues, most recently endorsing the Supreme Court's decision while supporting gun control in his home state. We hope to have the liberally biased media pose specific questions concerning his ambiguous stance but we don't see any such action in the near future since they are fawning over him during his recent world presidential coronation tour.

Is that OK?

Since it is specific to the topics of this forum (the second amendment), yes that would fly. The problem comes into play when someone goes off on a rant about the liberal media with no focus on our topics or about the candidate's stand on other issues.

Originally Posted by Kerbouchard

Bumper, I realize that you will probably never change your policy, and I do my best to stay within the parameters you have set forth with YOUR forum, but...I also respect the membership of this forum more than any other forum I have had the opportunity to participate in.

And, I really do appreciate the respect that members show each other, including the interest in test their political thoughts and ideas against other members. My concern is that we would not be able to separate a political argument from spilling over into other areas of the forum. Politics (and religion) very much encourage the "us and them" attitude and once started, it is very difficult to stop.

The upcoming election, is perhaps one of the most important elections since Lincoln was elected, and it will bring about a 'change' in the way our rights are protected and in the way our rights are exercised.

I do wish there was a way to compromise so that the members whose judgment I value would have a way to express their feelings and thoughts so that we could all make a more informed choice.

I absolutely agree that this is the most important election of our time. The threats to our gun rights, along with all of our other rights are very much, IMO, real. Outside of our mutual interest in guns, the Second Amendment, concealed carry and probably a few other areas, we are a diverse group that have very different beliefs. And, that's what makes the world go around. There are certain things I don't want to know about our members. Things that might make me forget my attempts to keep my biases out of the forum. The one most of you are aware of is that I don't want to know about your hatred for police officers. I also would not wish to know some of your stands on abortion or religion. I don't want to know that, at some point, you hit a woman or roughed up an unruly child. I don't want to know that you drown puppies, eat boogers, or prefer deviant sexual acts. I don't want to know that you, after getting screwed by an employer, stole something to get even. I don't want to know that you hate this country, dodged the draft or don't support our troops. I also don't want to know that you would vote for someone that would summarily take away my Second Amendment rights or raise my taxes. Knowing any of these things would likely change my attitude about individual members of the forum. It would also, undoubtedly, create change the attitudes of many members of the forum. And once
that happens, divisiveness begins.

With all of that said, I will refrain from starting or posting in purely political threads, as per your wishes, but I do wish there was a way where the members of this forum were able to exchange all ideas and learn from each other.

We are, however, guests in Bumper's house and I will defer to any and every decision he makes.

I most certainly appreciate it. I really do.

[Ron]

If political discussions coud be assured to remain civil and non confrontational, I suspect that Bumper might be more willing to permit them on the Forum(I may be wrong and am happy to stand corrected), but, as has been stated, discussion of politics and religion will almost always stir strong and, at times, hurt feelings, and thus go down hill pretty fast.

Therefore, I agree with and respect his zero tolerance rule. And, even if I didn't, his house, his rules.

[bandit383]

I've seen on other sites the political and religious bashing...it gets ugly very quickly...with some of the most respected posters. The real issue is this is the internet with all its warts. As such, many many things are taken out of context, not clearly or elequently explained.

...and I really don't think anybody's mind is going to be changed on who they are voting for based on rehashings.

Watch the news/read the synopsis'...I think it is a good policy and sincerely respect the leadership in making such a policy.

Rick

[echobaby]

Long overdue!

[762]

i understand 100% with not discussing politics.

other gun forums allow it and it does get a bit heated even though most members have similar views as one another

This election coming up weighs heavily on the 2nd amendment and what we hold near and dear to us. the outcome in November can potentially be bad for us on a legislative and judicial front. I will respect B's wishes and only discuss you-know-who if it pertains to the 2a.