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dr_cmg · September 11th, 2006, 01:53 PM

I'll try to answer all the questions in this one post.

rstickle & USPnTX: Recoil with the .410 rounds is negligible. The grips help take up what recoil there is. The .45 Colt has more, but really not that noticeable. I guess I didn't mention recoil simply because we didn't notice it.

mkeBob: I don't thing Taurus has really decided what to call it. I have seen it call 45/410 on their website, but currently they list it as "44 Ten". Sort of combining the two numbers. The part number on the box is 4410TKR-4B and it lists a 4" barrel. The website below lists a 3" and 6.5" barrel. The 3" which I have handled before really has a barrel between 2.5 and 2.75" in length. I really don't have anyway to determine penetration, but each time I shot the gallon jugs of water the pellets easily blew right through. This weekend when I do some silouette shooting I take some 5 gal. plastic paint buckets full of water and see what happens to them.

http://www.taurususa.com/products/gu....cfm?series=41

Tangle: There appears to be no problem with the 000 and the rifling. I have not fired any other type. RSSZ may be able to help us with that since he has fired some #6 through the 6.5" barrelled version.

I first learned of this gun from my wife's NRA magazine Woman’s Outlook. I think it was the March issue. They mentioned it in the article about new guns from different manufacturers and also had a short review else where in the mag. For the fun of it the model on the cover was carrying the 3" barrel version in a shoulder holster. You can only see the grips in that pic, but in one of the other two mentions it shows the holster.

RSSZ · September 11th, 2006, 04:53 PM

The 6.5",SS version that I got a chance to shoot up at the club a couple of months ago,was throwing patterns almost equivelent to the T/C's.

My observations were that it was a 15yd. small bird gun. I could see it bringing down close flying dove and quail. The the ranges that people use the .44 and .357 shot rds. at (usually #12 shot) you would have to really aim with the Taurus because of the tightness of pattern.

Remember also that if you can find them it will also shoot the older 2",.410's.

If I had this weapon my choice for snakes would be #6 shot. Id rather have bigger shot than a dinser pattern.

To my knowledge one can still find #4,#6,#7 1/2,and maybe #9, in the .410. Also the speciality loadings like buckshot. --------

retsupt99 · September 11th, 2006, 05:27 PM

to say the least. Could work well with our Florida snakes. I have been looking at these...a little...
Maybe one of these will be my next 'last gun'.

ret

artz · September 12th, 2006, 02:02 AM

vvvvvvvvery interesting ...

Wayne · September 12th, 2006, 08:01 PM

Not to be nosey (okay, to be nosey) how much was it?

I've been thinking of one of those.

Thanks,

Wayne

dr_cmg · September 13th, 2006, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne

Not to be nosey (okay, to be nosey) how much was it?

I've been thinking of one of those.

Thanks,

Wayne

Including 9% sales tax I paid $397 out the door. Considering that the best price I had seen when I could find one was $419 I think I did pretty good.

p8riot · September 13th, 2006, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tangle

Wow! I like it! Is there any problem shooting shot through rifling?

My experience with this is using snake shot out of a 4" S&W 686. A while back I fired some into a "tunnel" I made out of two old plastic 5 gal. buckets, and most of the shot impacted on the sides of the "tunnel." It seems that the rifling imparts enough spin to the shot that it spreads quite a bit as soon as it leaves the barrel. Not sure how it would affect "normal" shot, as a snake shot cartridge is constructed differently from standard shotshells.

RSSZ · September 13th, 2006, 10:37 AM

Saw several of these weapons at a local gunshop yesterday.

The long bbl SS was $499. The Short bbl SS was $599. (no I don't have these backa$$wards) When asked WHY ?? the salesperson simply stated,"supply and demand I guess".

HUH ?? -------

Rickstir · September 13th, 2006, 04:35 PM

That looks like just the ticket for around farm on my hip.

dr_cmg · September 17th, 2006, 10:28 PM

We took the Taurus out today and did some pattern determination shooting. We placed two IPSC silhouette targets at 15 yards with about 1 foot between the targets. We fired 5 .410 rounds at these targets. I fired two and Leah (the better shot) fired three. We aimed for COM on one or the other of the targets. At 15 yards you would get 1 or 2 pellets in the target you aimed for. I expect that if we had used 3 targets, placed them right touching each other, and aimed at the middle target we would have had two or all three of the targets hit each time. We will try this next trip.

At 10 yards using same set up and shooting arrangement, we had two or three pellets hit the target each time. My first shot had one pellet just about COM and the other two appeared to have stuck together and hit the left upper chest area. It knocked a hole in the target about an inch in diameter. At 10 yards with three targets touching each other and aiming for the middle target would likely have produced hits on the middle target and sometimes on the target to either side. We will also test this next trip.

At 5 yards and same procedure all three pellets hit the target aimed for. Usually the pellet were grouped in a 5 or 6" group. One group was more like 3" and this appeared to be where two pellets were stuck together like in the 10 yard incident. They did not produce as big a hole as they did at 10 yards. At 5 yards which is a very feasible indoor distance the attacker would receive all three pellets from the gun in his torso area and would be hurting instantly.

I had hoped to try shooting some 5 gallon plastic paint buckets filled with water to get an idea about penetration, but we had very limited time this afternoon so we did not attempt to do this. Next trip should provide a longer time to shoot and we will try this experiment along with the 3 targets at 10 and 15 yards.

Have a good week.

September 11th, 2006, 01:53 PM	#11
dr_cmg Lead Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,897	I'll try to answer all the questions in this one post. rstickle & USPnTX: Recoil with the .410 rounds is negligible. The grips help take up what recoil there is. The .45 Colt has more, but really not that noticeable. I guess I didn't mention recoil simply because we didn't notice it. mkeBob: I don't thing Taurus has really decided what to call it. I have seen it call 45/410 on their website, but currently they list it as "44 Ten". Sort of combining the two numbers. The part number on the box is 4410TKR-4B and it lists a 4" barrel. The website below lists a 3" and 6.5" barrel. The 3" which I have handled before really has a barrel between 2.5 and 2.75" in length. I really don't have anyway to determine penetration, but each time I shot the gallon jugs of water the pellets easily blew right through. This weekend when I do some silouette shooting I take some 5 gal. plastic paint buckets full of water and see what happens to them. http://www.taurususa.com/products/gu....cfm?series=41 Tangle: There appears to be no problem with the 000 and the rifling. I have not fired any other type. RSSZ may be able to help us with that since he has fired some #6 through the 6.5" barrelled version. I first learned of this gun from my wife's NRA magazine Woman’s Outlook. I think it was the March issue. They mentioned it in the article about new guns from different manufacturers and also had a short review else where in the mag. For the fun of it the model on the cover was carrying the 3" barrel version in a shoulder holster. You can only see the grips in that pic, but in one of the other two mentions it shows the holster. __________________ George Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein

September 11th, 2006, 05:27 PM	#13
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 15,607	An Interesting Weapon... to say the least. Could work well with our Florida snakes. I have been looking at these...a little... Maybe one of these will be my next 'last gun'. ret __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

September 17th, 2006, 10:28 PM	#20
dr_cmg Lead Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,897	We took the Taurus out today and did some pattern determination shooting. We placed two IPSC silhouette targets at 15 yards with about 1 foot between the targets. We fired 5 .410 rounds at these targets. I fired two and Leah (the better shot) fired three. We aimed for COM on one or the other of the targets. At 15 yards you would get 1 or 2 pellets in the target you aimed for. I expect that if we had used 3 targets, placed them right touching each other, and aimed at the middle target we would have had two or all three of the targets hit each time. We will try this next trip. At 10 yards using same set up and shooting arrangement, we had two or three pellets hit the target each time. My first shot had one pellet just about COM and the other two appeared to have stuck together and hit the left upper chest area. It knocked a hole in the target about an inch in diameter. At 10 yards with three targets touching each other and aiming for the middle target would likely have produced hits on the middle target and sometimes on the target to either side. We will also test this next trip. At 5 yards and same procedure all three pellets hit the target aimed for. Usually the pellet were grouped in a 5 or 6" group. One group was more like 3" and this appeared to be where two pellets were stuck together like in the 10 yard incident. They did not produce as big a hole as they did at 10 yards. At 5 yards which is a very feasible indoor distance the attacker would receive all three pellets from the gun in his torso area and would be hurting instantly. I had hoped to try shooting some 5 gallon plastic paint buckets filled with water to get an idea about penetration, but we had very limited time this afternoon so we did not attempt to do this. Next trip should provide a longer time to shoot and we will try this experiment along with the 3 targets at 10 and 15 yards. Have a good week. __________________ George Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein

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September 11th, 2006, 04:53 PM	#12
RSSZ Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,847	The 6.5",SS version that I got a chance to shoot up at the club a couple of months ago,was throwing patterns almost equivelent to the T/C's. My observations were that it was a 15yd. small bird gun. I could see it bringing down close flying dove and quail. The the ranges that people use the .44 and .357 shot rds. at (usually #12 shot) you would have to really aim with the Taurus because of the tightness of pattern. Remember also that if you can find them it will also shoot the older 2",.410's. If I had this weapon my choice for snakes would be #6 shot. Id rather have bigger shot than a dinser pattern. To my knowledge one can still find #4,#6,#7 1/2,and maybe #9, in the .410. Also the speciality loadings like buckshot. --------

September 12th, 2006, 02:02 AM	#14
artz VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,260	vvvvvvvvery interesting ...

September 12th, 2006, 08:01 PM	#15
Wayne Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Eugene, OR Posts: 823	Not to be nosey (okay, to be nosey) how much was it? I've been thinking of one of those. Thanks, Wayne

September 13th, 2006, 10:37 AM	#18
RSSZ Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,847	Saw several of these weapons at a local gunshop yesterday. The long bbl SS was $499. The Short bbl SS was $599. (no I don't have these backa$$wards) When asked WHY ?? the salesperson simply stated,"supply and demand I guess". HUH ?? -------

September 13th, 2006, 04:35 PM	#19
Rickstir Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 75	That looks like just the ticket for around farm on my hip.