When has Hollywood gotten it right?

Musketeer · September 27th, 2006, 05:31 PM

There was a post on the opening scene of Patriot Games that got me thinking... When has Hollywood gotten it right in the depiction of an armed conflict, not including war/military movies?

I can think of a couple instances where they seem to have done well.

1. The Shootist: At the start when J.B. Books is held up he tosses his billfold to the criminal while holding a derringer in his hand. After gut shooting the criminal he goes on to state his belief that he would not have been left to simply go on his way had he handed over his money. Pretty well done in my opinion.

2. Clear and Present Danger: The ambush of the motorcade in Columbia. Wow, what a scene. If anything it showed you that perhaps shooting back may not be the best solution. When ambushed and outgunned KEEP MOVING. Any place is better than where everyone is shooting at you.

How about some others?

MattLarson · September 27th, 2006, 05:34 PM

Most of the shooting scenes in Collateral seemed pretty sound.

Matt

havegunjoe · September 27th, 2006, 05:35 PM

The show 24 seems to do a pretty good job IMHO. Old Jack doesn't seem to hold back when it comes to extracting information from the enemy for example. Can't remember specific dialog at the moment.

enigmaone · September 27th, 2006, 05:59 PM

I always thought the original Miami vice Tv show wasn't to bad. For it
being what it was.

MattLarson · September 27th, 2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by havegunjoe

The show 24 seems to do a pretty good job IMHO. Old Jack doesn't seem to hold back when it comes to extracting information from the enemy for example. Can't remember specific dialog at the moment.

I seem to recall the season opener, Jack is on a rooftop, with a guy shooting at him with a full auto weapon. Jack takes cover behind a sheetmetal roof duct, and the rounds bounce off. Pretty unrealistic.

Matt

srfl · September 27th, 2006, 07:09 PM

Practically anything done by Michael Mann (Collateral, Last of the Mohicans, Manhunter, Miami Vice, etc.) when it comes to fighting seems grounded in realism....no doubt due to his attention to detail, experience in weapons (I think he attended Gunsite and/or some other top flight self-defense school), and, likely, technical advisors.

nwhittin · September 27th, 2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by srfl

Practically anything done by Michael Mann (Collateral, Last of the Mohicans, Manhunter, Miami Vice, etc.) when it comes to fighting seems grounded in realism....no doubt due to his attention to detail, experience in weapons (I think he attended Gunsite and/or some other top flight self-defense school), and, likely, technical advisors.

don't forget Heat!!!

it was pretty well done in my opinion. and the shootout after the bank robbery was amazing, especially the sounds.

elance · September 27th, 2006, 08:07 PM

"unforgivin" with clint

goawayfarm · September 27th, 2006, 08:08 PM

The sad thing is Hollywood rarely gets it right. There are a lot of examples of them getting it wrong, but few by comparison, of them getting it right.

I'm biased though, I really get nitpicky when it comes to weapons & movies.

The best IMHO:

big screen- Saving Private Ryan
small screen- Band of Brothers

P95Carry · September 27th, 2006, 08:28 PM

I always give my top vote on this to ''Heat'' - some very well played out stuff there - pretty good attention to detail.

September 27th, 2006, 05:31 PM	#1
Musketeer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 701	When has Hollywood gotten it right? There was a post on the opening scene of Patriot Games that got me thinking... When has Hollywood gotten it right in the depiction of an armed conflict, not including war/military movies? I can think of a couple instances where they seem to have done well. 1. The Shootist: At the start when J.B. Books is held up he tosses his billfold to the criminal while holding a derringer in his hand. After gut shooting the criminal he goes on to state his belief that he would not have been left to simply go on his way had he handed over his money. Pretty well done in my opinion. 2. Clear and Present Danger: The ambush of the motorcade in Columbia. Wow, what a scene. If anything it showed you that perhaps shooting back may not be the best solution. When ambushed and outgunned KEEP MOVING. Any place is better than where everyone is shooting at you. How about some others?

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MattLarson Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,510	Most of the shooting scenes in Collateral seemed pretty sound. Matt __________________ Hope is not a plan.

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havegunjoe Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,846	The show 24 seems to do a pretty good job IMHO. Old Jack doesn't seem to hold back when it comes to extracting information from the enemy for example. Can't remember specific dialog at the moment. __________________ DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH. LIBERTY IS A WELL ARMED LAMB CONTESTING THE VOTE. Certified Instructor for Minnesota Carry Permit NRA Pistol and Personal Protection Insrtuctor Utah Permit Certified Instructor

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enigmaone Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: englewood fl Posts: 956	I always thought the original Miami vice Tv show wasn't to bad. For it being what it was. __________________ quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

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srfl Senior Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FL Posts: 6,662	Practically anything done by Michael Mann (Collateral, Last of the Mohicans, Manhunter, Miami Vice, etc.) when it comes to fighting seems grounded in realism....no doubt due to his attention to detail, experience in weapons (I think he attended Gunsite and/or some other top flight self-defense school), and, likely, technical advisors. __________________ USAF: Loving Our Obscene Amenities Since 1947

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elance Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: tulsa ok Posts: 200	"unforgivin" with clint

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goawayfarm VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fork Union, Virginia Posts: 2,028	The sad thing is Hollywood rarely gets it right. There are a lot of examples of them getting it wrong, but few by comparison, of them getting it right. I'm biased though, I really get nitpicky when it comes to weapons & movies. The best IMHO: big screen- Saving Private Ryan small screen- Band of Brothers __________________ Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. "If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. If I have a gun, what do I have to be paranoid about?" -Clint Smith "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." -Jeff Cooper

September 27th, 2006, 08:28 PM	#10
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,407	I always give my top vote on this to ''Heat'' - some very well played out stuff there - pretty good attention to detail. __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

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